The Hobbit movie

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Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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ZesPak said:
Posibly due to age:

The Hobbit plays in 2941, LOTR starts in about 3017, so over 70 years later.
Bloom was 24 in 2001 (LOTR:FOTR), he was 35 when filming the Hobbit.

I'm not sure, but that could be the reason. He's supposed to look the same or even younger, not older. But I noticed it as well, made me think about Xavier in X-men: Last stand, they did something similar.
Given how long-lived elves are supposed to be (Galadriel is about 7000 years old, for example), and since they don't appear to get much older looking than early middle age, Legolas shouldn't look any different. Unfortunately, elfen actors are in short supply these days.

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Agree with Others - Bits of Sil would make fine films,

The fourth War (Unnumbered tears) The final stand of Fingolfin against Melkior

The Lay of Beren and Luthien

Hurin, Turin, Tuor - and the hidden city - again all good and relatively accessible.

But indeed some parts where Tolkien spends more time on listing the houses and lineage, or correct languages etc are a little dry. (mind you George RR is as guilty of this in his books...)





MartG

20,622 posts

203 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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Gargamel said:
Agree with Others - Bits of Sil would make fine films,

The fourth War (Unnumbered tears) The final stand of Fingolfin against Melkior

The Lay of Beren and Luthien

Hurin, Turin, Tuor - and the hidden city - again all good and relatively accessible.

But indeed some parts where Tolkien spends more time on listing the houses and lineage, or correct languages etc are a little dry. (mind you George RR is as guilty of this in his books...)
They might. And PJ won't be getting his grubby hands on them, so they might stand a chance of being decent.

andyjo1982

4,957 posts

209 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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Anyone seen TBOTFA yet? Couldn't see a thread of its own.

Personally, I don't think The Hobbit movies so far, have been anywhere near as good or as enjoyable as LOTR trilogy.


JFReturns

3,693 posts

170 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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Going to the midday viewing bounce I'll report back later.

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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andyjo1982 said:
Anyone seen TBOTFA yet? Couldn't see a thread of its own.

Personally, I don't think The Hobbit movies so far, have been anywhere near as good or as enjoyable as LOTR trilogy.
Not only that they haven't even been particularly good movies (and I think LOTR movies were all 5 stars)

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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JagLover said:
andyjo1982 said:
Anyone seen TBOTFA yet? Couldn't see a thread of its own.

Personally, I don't think The Hobbit movies so far, have been anywhere near as good or as enjoyable as LOTR trilogy.
Not only that they haven't even been particularly good movies (and I think LOTR movies were all 5 stars)
My wife and kids love them, but to me, it is obvious that they have been drawn out so much it is sometimes painful to watch (like a glacier) to milk box office takings.

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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Have to agree with the posts above. The first two have been pretty disappointing to be honest. The problem I think is that the Hobbit just isn't a very action heavy story and it's on a lot smaller scale then the LOTR trilogy. However this film was released after the LOTR but in typical bigger, bolder, larger Hollywood style, they couldn't make these films seem less epic than the previous ones which means they've had to add lots of bits in that aren't in the actual book to fluff it up.

I think these films would have worked a lot better as a smaller more personal journey but that wouldn't have washed with the studio execs so we've ended up with The Hobbit, the Michael Bay Directors Cut. I'll still probably go and see the 3rd film for completions sake but I'm not expecting to be blown away.

Dakkon

7,826 posts

252 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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Guvernator said:
Have to agree with the posts above. The first two have been pretty disappointing to be honest. The problem I think is that the Hobbit just isn't a very action heavy story and it's on a lot smaller scale then the LOTR trilogy. However this film was released after the LOTR but in typical bigger, bolder, larger Hollywood style, they couldn't make these films seem less epic than the previous ones which means they've had to add lots of bits in that aren't in the actual book to fluff it up.

I think these films would have worked a lot better as a smaller more personal journey but that wouldn't have washed with the studio execs so we've ended up with The Hobbit, the Michael Bay Directors Cut. I'll still probably go and see the 3rd film for completions sake but I'm not expecting to be blown away.
That is exactly the same sentiment as the review in the Telegraph today.

hairykrishna

13,158 posts

202 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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I think it's a shame LOTR was made first. Too much pressure to make the hobbit into a similar scale story.

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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Dakkon said:
Guvernator said:
Have to agree with the posts above. The first two have been pretty disappointing to be honest. The problem I think is that the Hobbit just isn't a very action heavy story and it's on a lot smaller scale then the LOTR trilogy. However this film was released after the LOTR but in typical bigger, bolder, larger Hollywood style, they couldn't make these films seem less epic than the previous ones which means they've had to add lots of bits in that aren't in the actual book to fluff it up.

I think these films would have worked a lot better as a smaller more personal journey but that wouldn't have washed with the studio execs so we've ended up with The Hobbit, the Michael Bay Directors Cut. I'll still probably go and see the 3rd film for completions sake but I'm not expecting to be blown away.
That is exactly the same sentiment as the review in the Telegraph today.
Wow, I didn't even read that review, just my own opinion but looks like one that's quite prevalent. I should write reviews for a living smile

JFReturns

3,693 posts

170 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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Back from the film, and thoroughly enjoyable. But then I'm a self confessed fan of these movies so I was always going to love it.

The first five minutes were... terrible. But thats because the projector wasn't working correctly. Fifteen minutes and a free ticket later, we're underway. I maintain that the CGI on Smaug stunning, and overall its a great opening ten minutes. However, I'm still not convinced by the high framerate. Yes you get used it and the clarity is nice in places, but overall I feel it lakes warmth somehow.

I'm not going to give any spoilers away until more if you PH'ers have seen it but some great characters get lots of film, time - Bolg, Thranduil, Dain, Elrond, Saruman. Would liked to have seen A LOT more of Beorn, he only gets seconds. The dwarven army are awesome, exactly how I hoped they would be, but I wanted to see more of them and less of the humies!

<fanboy>Still not convinced about the Elf / Dwarf love story and how some parts of the story have changed</fanboy>, but overall I loved this and feel quite sad its all over! Go and see it, but avoid 3D.

nick heppinstall

8,054 posts

279 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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I saw Desolation of Smaug in HFR. Never again. Made it look like a BBC outside broadcast !!! Didn't like it at all. Really wanted to see it in Imax but they are only showing it in HFR so i'll have to make do with the smaller screen.

I really hope HFR doesn't take off....

98elise

26,376 posts

160 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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JFReturns said:
Back from the film, and thoroughly enjoyable. But then I'm a self confessed fan of these movies so I was always going to love it.

The first five minutes were... terrible. But thats because the projector wasn't working correctly. Fifteen minutes and a free ticket later, we're underway. I maintain that the CGI on Smaug stunning, and overall its a great opening ten minutes. However, I'm still not convinced by the high framerate. Yes you get used it and the clarity is nice in places, but overall I feel it lakes warmth somehow.

I'm not going to give any spoilers away until more if you PH'ers have seen it but some great characters get lots of film, time - Bolg, Thranduil, Dain, Elrond, Saruman. Would liked to have seen A LOT more of Beorn, he only gets seconds. The dwarven army are awesome, exactly how I hoped they would be, but I wanted to see more of them and less of the humies!

<fanboy>Still not convinced about the Elf / Dwarf love story and how some parts of the story have changed</fanboy>, but overall I loved this and feel quite sad its all over! Go and see it, but avoid 3D.
Why avoid 3D? Is it just a personal preference, or does it not work well in this film? We were going to see it in IMAX 3D

JFReturns

3,693 posts

170 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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98elise said:
JFReturns said:
Back from the film, and thoroughly enjoyable. But then I'm a self confessed fan of these movies so I was always going to love it.

The first five minutes were... terrible. But thats because the projector wasn't working correctly. Fifteen minutes and a free ticket later, we're underway. I maintain that the CGI on Smaug stunning, and overall its a great opening ten minutes. However, I'm still not convinced by the high framerate. Yes you get used it and the clarity is nice in places, but overall I feel it lakes warmth somehow.

I'm not going to give any spoilers away until more if you PH'ers have seen it but some great characters get lots of film, time - Bolg, Thranduil, Dain, Elrond, Saruman. Would liked to have seen A LOT more of Beorn, he only gets seconds. The dwarven army are awesome, exactly how I hoped they would be, but I wanted to see more of them and less of the humies!

<fanboy>Still not convinced about the Elf / Dwarf love story and how some parts of the story have changed</fanboy>, but overall I loved this and feel quite sad its all over! Go and see it, but avoid 3D.
Why avoid 3D? Is it just a personal preference, or does it not work well in this film? We were going to see it in IMAX 3D
Personal preference, I felt like it was unnecessary and detracted from the film. We found it difficult to focus sometimes and both had blinding headaches at the end. IMAX may be better though.

Mutley

3,178 posts

258 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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Am sat waiting to in to see this tonight. I am quite looking forward to it.

I do hope that Jackson leaves Middle Earth alone now.

Mcphisto

830 posts

134 months

Saturday 13th December 2014
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JFReturns said:
Back from the film, and thoroughly enjoyable. But then I'm a self confessed fan of these movies so I was always going to love it.

The first five minutes were... terrible. But thats because the projector wasn't working correctly. Fifteen minutes and a free ticket later, we're underway. I maintain that the CGI on Smaug stunning, and overall its a great opening ten minutes. However, I'm still not convinced by the high framerate. Yes you get used it and the clarity is nice in places, but overall I feel it lakes warmth somehow.

I'm not going to give any spoilers away until more if you PH'ers have seen it but some great characters get lots of film, time - Bolg, Thranduil, Dain, Elrond, Saruman. Would liked to have seen A LOT more of Beorn, he only gets seconds. The dwarven army are awesome, exactly how I hoped they would be, but I wanted to see more of them and less of the humies!

<fanboy>Still not convinced about the Elf / Dwarf love story and how some parts of the story have changed</fanboy>, but overall I loved this and feel quite sad its all over! Go and see it, but avoid 3D.
Very well summed up, Smaug cgi was ace, as were most of the battle scenes only spoiled slightly by Peter Jackson trying to cgi Legolas into some x man hero (the running on stones etc) It got a bit dusty in the cinema at the end with old Bilbo. I'll miss my yearly visits to Middle Earth, I think PJ has got all he can out of the story.....now who's going to take on Unfinished Tales!

richtea78

5,574 posts

157 months

Saturday 13th December 2014
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Mcphisto said:
JFReturns said:
Back from the film, and thoroughly enjoyable. But then I'm a self confessed fan of these movies so I was always going to love it.

The first five minutes were... terrible. But thats because the projector wasn't working correctly. Fifteen minutes and a free ticket later, we're underway. I maintain that the CGI on Smaug stunning, and overall its a great opening ten minutes. However, I'm still not convinced by the high framerate. Yes you get used it and the clarity is nice in places, but overall I feel it lakes warmth somehow.

I'm not going to give any spoilers away until more if you PH'ers have seen it but some great characters get lots of film, time - Bolg, Thranduil, Dain, Elrond, Saruman. Would liked to have seen A LOT more of Beorn, he only gets seconds. The dwarven army are awesome, exactly how I hoped they would be, but I wanted to see more of them and less of the humies!

<fanboy>Still not convinced about the Elf / Dwarf love story and how some parts of the story have changed</fanboy>, but overall I loved this and feel quite sad its all over! Go and see it, but avoid 3D.
Very well summed up, Smaug cgi was ace, as were most of the battle scenes only spoiled slightly by Peter Jackson trying to cgi Legolas into some x man hero (the running on stones etc) It got a bit dusty in the cinema at the end with old Bilbo. I'll miss my yearly visits to Middle Earth, I think PJ has got all he can out of the story.....now who's going to take on Unfinished Tales!
Can only agree with both of the above. A good film that could have been great with the removal of Legolas. Legolas ex machina to give him his new correct name. Honestly, why is he even in the films? Is he sleeping with Peter Jackson?

The flying scene, the stones and a couple of other bits were really jarring. When you go all out in the CGI so that a dragon can look that good, it's a let down. I think it's called uncanny valley?

MartG

20,622 posts

203 months

Sunday 14th December 2014
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Halmyre said:
Given how long-lived elves are supposed to be (Galadriel is about 7000 years old, for example), and since they don't appear to get much older looking than early middle age, Legolas shouldn't look any different. Unfortunately, elfen actors are in short supply these days.