Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

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FloppyRaccoon said:

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rhinochopig said:

And the cartographer / geologist who has no sense of direction and can't use his own equipment to work out where they are.

What equipment did the geologist have on him at that point to work out where they were?

I remember watching it and wondering why they don't get on the radio and ask for directions. They had that 3D holo map thing on the ship with their locations on it.

There was no imminent danger to them at that point in their wandering around the tunnels as the storm hadn't been detected yet.

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rhinochopig said:

im said:

rhinochopig said:

And the cartographer / geologist who has no sense of direction and can't use his own equipment to work out where they are.

What equipment did the geologist have on him at that point to work out where they were?

Those mapping spheres.

They had already been released and were busy doing the job the were programmed to do which was to create a map back in the Prometheus contol room.

Did he have:

1 the additional spheres?
2 the portable desk top layout to create another map on from the data any additional spheres might gather.

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SWoll said:

im said:

FloppyRaccoon said:

im said:

rhinochopig said:

And the cartographer / geologist who has no sense of direction and can't use his own equipment to work out where they are.

What equipment did the geologist have on him at that point to work out where they were?

I remember watching it and wondering why they don't get on the radio and ask for directions. They had that 3D holo map thing on the ship with their locations on it.

There was no imminent danger to them at that point in their wandering around the tunnels as the storm hadn't been detected yet.

This thread is going to end up at 200 pages if you're going to try and justify every "Why would they do that?" moment in the film.

Pure lazy writing.

Or lazy criticising when the answer is obvious.

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rhinochopig said:

You're seriously trying to suggest that the chap paid to do the mapping would have no means of seeing what he's mapping? Instead, being entirely reliant on a display a couple of miles away in a spaceship. Given you can buy a gps now for 50 quid, you'd think that in the future on a multi-billion dollar mission to another planet they'd be able to afford an ipad 10 to show his maps on.

And you claim that's lazy criticism.

No, lazy criticising is calling the GEOLOGIST the "chap paid to do the mapping". He's merely the hod carrier for the spheres, delivering them in a bag and releasing them once underground.

Please watch the film again, he clearly states his speciality is THE ROCKS.

The spheres send data to he ship to create the "map" on the ship. His part in that process is over...oh never mind....

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chris watton said:

im said:

No, lazy criticising is calling the GEOLOGIST the "chap paid to do the mapping". He's merely the hod carrier for the spheres, delivering them in a bag and releasing them once underground.

Please watch the film again, he clearly states his speciality is THE ROCKS.

The spheres send data to he ship to create the "map" on the ship. His part in that process is over...oh never mind....

...Which kind of begs the question, why spend however millions of Dollars training him up for the journey if all his job entails is releasing a few spheres - anyone could have done that?

Do you lot not watch the film.

He went walkabout because he was only interested in the ROCKS and he accused them of having another agenda...jeez.

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Pesty said:

Christ you are still clinging to this one piece of criticism that has been poorly written down by a few of us..

Drop it we admit he was not a map maker...

Get a grip, i'm not the one who keeps bringing it up a-la "how comes the map maker can't find his way out"



I merely point out the nonsense in that argument.

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Pesty said:

I remember them as wanting to get out and go back to the ship. you have watched it more recently. Is that not the case?

Oh and its a bit hard to complain about having another agenda when he didn;t even know what the mission was when he signed up.

He wanted out when he realised they were not interested in the geology as he'd been told but rather chasing monsters or words to that effect.

Yes, its not a great plot point but it does hold together logically. I've not seen this particular complaint made about the film on other sites dedicated to Prometheus only on here and just about every second page t'boot

There are other more poignant flaws in this film but somehow people gravitate back to this one.

Right, if its brought up again I'll try REALLY REALLY hard to ignore it OK?

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Pesty said:

im said:

Right, if its brought up again I'll try REALLY REALLY hard to ignore it OK?

Great. Now that's sorted can you tell me why he had his legs bent over his shoulders and what advanage that would have given a bio weapon

Excellent, a massive flaw that I can agree with. A non-directional weapon indeed!

Who, let alone an advanced race, creates a weapon thats just as likely to kill you as the enemy...thats not a weapon, its a suicide note.

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FloppyRaccoon said:

I'm a geologist. Just spent 6 weeks over the summer mapping.

...shoudn't you be looking at rocks? Bit of a waste of after school Geology lessons no?

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FloppyRaccoon said:

im said:

FloppyRaccoon said:

I'm a geologist. Just spent 6 weeks over the summer mapping.

...shoudn't you be looking at rocks? Bit of a waste of after school Geology lessons no?

I'm not sure you understand geology.

Actually, you can be 100% sure that I don't understand Geology...I can count beans though, oh yes



Seriously though, without getting back into the whole argument, the point I was making was that Geologists don't (unless I REALLY REALLY don't understand Geology) get asked to make maps that you use to navigate yourself from A to B to. Thats the domain of cartographers if memory serves.

You make maps of Strata etc, no?

...Although I'm sure you could if need be.

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Shame I can't retrospectively add a poll to this thread...t'would be interesting

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Halb said:

im said:

Shame I can't retrospectively add a poll to this thread...t'would be interesting

Make one!!!
What options should we have in it?

Just a straight:

10/10 The Best Film I've Ever Seen
9/10 Excellent
8/10 Very Good
7/10 Good
6/10 Fair
5/10 Average, worth a watch once
4/10 Disappointing
3/10 Poor
2/10 Bad
1/10 Terrible
0/10 The Worst Film I've Ever Seen

Then we can guage the average PH'ers feelings about this film

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The numbers have got to mean something that is consistent to all PHers ie 5/10 = Average and anything below is sub-average and likewise anything above is, well, above average.

Otherwise 1 mans average score isn't always the same as anothers.

I take on board Teknos point about 'disappointing' not being a term that should be used.

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SpeedBash said:

Nice video released showing how Iceland was transformed into the alien world in the film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdJYlKfyjg8

Nice spot. More CGI in the landscapes than I suspected.

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Pesty said:

He is a biologist. Which is exactly why he wouldn't be going coochy coo to an snake like looking thing. I'm not a bilogist and I know snake like things can be venomous.

Did you not read the explanation for this I qouted a few pages back?

While we're at it does somebody want to bring up the bit about the 'map maker' managing to get himself lost, we haven't had that for at least 2 pages.

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Taken from Ten Lame Complaints About Prometheus....

http://www.viewerdiscretionadvised.net/2012/06/reb...


7) Why were Millburn and Filfield lost when they had mapped the area?

They were not so much lost as left behind.They basically lost contact with Prometheus when the storm hit (and Janek was dealing with Shaw and Holloway being swept away). When they spoke again, Janek informed the guys they had to wait out the storm. They even knew to go East, so directions were not a problem. Being lost had nothing to do with it, as they were stuck in those tunnels no matter what.

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Pesty said:

im said:

Pesty said:

He is a biologist. Which is exactly why he wouldn't be going coochy coo to an snake like looking thing. I'm not a bilogist and I know snake like things can be venomous.

Did you not read the explanation for this I qouted a few pages back?

While we're at it does somebody want to bring up the bit about the 'map maker' managing to get himself lost, we haven't had that for at least 2 pages.

No what was it.

Do you want to watch this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

Well I'm not typing it out again. Watch the deleted scenes.

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g3org3y said:

Indeed. Anyone with a groudning in science must have absolutely facepalmed themselves to death when the lead lady stated that stebag line of "that's what I choose to believe" (or words to that effect).

Why?

There are many scientists who believe in God/Religion (albeit they're mis-guided )

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/sep/04/scie...

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Halb said:

I know of a few things that have used 'webisodes', like BSG for instance. But they used it to augment and expand the story, with little used used or underused characters. Not to fill in gaps due to poor editing, logic, plot gaps and writing.

Ridleys original cut will obviously include a lot of the stuff that makes many of the plot holes mentioned 'disappear' but takes the film beyond what the studio deems an optimum length for consumer involvement ie 2 hours.

Expect Ridleys cut to appear at some point in the future but if its anything like his cut of Alien it could take 20 years to come out.

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JonRB said:

I'm not entirely sure why you have become the Champion of Prometheus on this thread, and that any dissent or disagreement with you must be crushed.

Au contraire Jon. You've posted 58 times in this thread and they've all been negative. It would appear that anyone who actually lliked the film gets told time and time again why it was crap by yourself and a couple of others.

58 times Jon......on a thread about a film you don't like ...

By comparison he's merely passing through.