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Bill Carr
1,993 posts
103 months
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SWoll said: MocMocaMoc said: JonRB said: Um, really? I can only surmise that you're either very accepting / unquestioning, very unobservant, or simply weren't really watching it (ie. had it on in the background whilst you flicked through a magazine or were having a conversation with someone). Edit: Or watching it whilst very drunk.  I find people take great pleasure in pointing out 'plot holes' as it often embiggens them to themselves. That they're so clever they outsmarted the writers. But what I also find, is an equal number of people who miss the small details that actually explain the 'plot holes'. It's often the editors job to ensure the audience are hand fed the plot - if an editor takes for granted that the audience aren't retarded, 'plot holes' occur. An 'unlikely occurrence' is not a plot hole. And in a film that purports to explain the origins of humanity... A suspension of disbelief is an essential prerequisite. It's a good film : ) It really isn't. Forgetting about plot holes for a minute (which I am usually fairly happy to forgive) everything else about the film other than the premise and the SFX was substandard. Awful script, acting, storyline. No excitement or suspense. Far too may "WTF did they do that for" moments A soundtrack that appeared to be written for another film entirely. I wanted to love it so much, it just wouldn't let me. SWoll, I agree with you entirely (including your footnote) And with JonRB's earlier post. I'm not happy I found "plot holes", I'm pissed off that a movie I'd been eagerly anticipating was a dud. A number of poster's have implied that there's some sort of hidden meaning in this film and you have to look beyond the obvious to seek explanation. I believe that argument is fatuous and an attempt to make them look clever. There is no deeper meaning at work here. There is no subtly, no allegory. It's just poorly written, period.
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SWoll
4,426 posts
127 months
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 It just smacks of people desperately grasping at straws, which to a degree I can understand. As I say i wanted to love it, but it just left me annoyed TBH. What a wasted opportunity.
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Guvernator
2,758 posts
34 months
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Apart from the lame script, the crap acting, the improbable coincidences, the rolling ship (what EXACTLY is that ship made of anyway, rubber?) the thing that disappointed me most was that the whole premise of the plot was that they were traveling halfway across the galaxy to try to find answers to some really important questions.
However once they got there, all this setup is thrown out the window. None of the interesting questions\premises go anywhere, the motives of the Aliens are still just as ambiguous after 2 hours as they were at the beginning of the film. It's almost as if the creators thought up this great concept and then the producers decided that it was all too high brow to make money so they decided to turn it into Friday the 13th in space to appeal to popcorn munching morons.
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Bill Carr
1,993 posts
103 months
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Guvernator said: the thing that disappointed me most was that the whole premise of the plot was that they were traveling halfway across the galaxy to try to find answers to some really important questions.
However once they got there, all this setup is thrown out the window. None of the interesting questions\premises go anywhere, the motives of the Aliens are still just as ambiguous after 2 hours as they were at the beginning of the film. Exactly! The premise implies the film is going to be some profound journey, but what follows is about as profound as a wet fart. It's just an excuse for some mid-level gore, some fighting and explosions. If they were going down that route they could have at least had the decency to put some tits in it.
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Bedazzled
4,086 posts
90 months
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Finally got to see this on DVD. I thought it was visually amazing and I quite enjoyed it as a standalone popcorn movie, but I made the mistake of thinking about the plot and it's a bit of a mess. It looked like chunks of the story had been edited out here and there, and some of the crew's behaviour was inexplicable. The aliens reminded me of Evolution in places, except it wasn't funny. I quite liked the basic idea of the story, but it created loads of unanswered questions and the end was a bit naff. Anyhow it was good fun, 6/10.
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Oakey
13,746 posts
85 months
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Bill Carr said: SWoll, I agree with you entirely (including your footnote) And with JonRB's earlier post.
I'm not happy I found "plot holes", I'm pissed off that a movie I'd been eagerly anticipating was a dud.
A number of poster's have implied that there's some sort of hidden meaning in this film and you have to look beyond the obvious to seek explanation. I believe that argument is fatuous and an attempt to make them look clever. There is no deeper meaning at work here. There is no subtly, no allegory. It's just poorly written, period. If you have to seek out external sources outside of the film to find answers, ie interviews with the Scott and Lindeloff, then the film has failed. Also, the marketing campaign for the Blu-Ray is literally "Questions Will Be Answered"
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The Hypno-Toad
7,004 posts
74 months
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SWoll
4,426 posts
127 months
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The Hypno-Toad said:  Talk about desperate. Ridley should be ashamed of himself descending to lazy viral marketing like this in an attempt to genreate some sort of greatness by association.
BR is one of the finest SF movies ever made, why sully it's memory by linking it in any way with the turd that is Prometheus FFS?Just another reason to dislike it I suppose.
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fuelracer496
1,266 posts
105 months
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I saw it at the cinema and picked up the 9 disc set yesterday, of course my opinion might be wrong, but I thought it was excellent overall. I didn't expect it to be a direct Alien prequel, and it isn't. There's 30 odd years between the end of Prometheus and the first Alien film. Plot holes are fun to find, and all the science that proves it's wrong, is probably valid, but I don't watch films to pick fault with them (I couldn't do any better).
There's probably another film or 2 needed to bring things 'upto date' as it were to get to Alien as we know it, but I don't mind that. From a technical stand point, the picture quality, sound quality and overall package on the 3D Blu-ray is utterly superb. The opening 10 minutes are top notch demo material to show off the beauty of the Blu-ray format.
I guess it's one of those marmite films, a bit like Inception, where 50% of people enjoy it, and 50% think it's a stupid film trying to be clever. I think the sequel to Prometheus will be critical to bridging the gap, and filling in 30 years of Xenomorph evolution, but that is probably what folks expected Prometheus to do in the first place.
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SWoll
4,426 posts
127 months
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fuelracer496 said: I saw it at the cinema and picked up the 9 disc set yesterday, of course my opinion might be wrong, but I thought it was excellent overall. I didn't expect it to be a direct Alien prequel, and it isn't. There's 30 odd years between the end of Prometheus and the first Alien film. Plot holes are fun to find, and all the science that proves it's wrong, is probably valid, but I don't watch films to pick fault with them (I couldn't do any better).
There's probably another film or 2 needed to bring things 'upto date' as it were to get to Alien as we know it, but I don't mind that. From a technical stand point, the picture quality, sound quality and overall package on the 3D Blu-ray is utterly superb. The opening 10 minutes are top notch demo material to show off the beauty of the Blu-ray format.
I guess it's one of those marmite films, a bit like Inception, where 50% of people enjoy it, and 50% think it's a stupid film trying to be clever. I think the sequel to Prometheus will be critical to bridging the gap, and filling in 30 years of Xenomorph evolution, but that is probably what folks expected Prometheus to do in the first place. The difference with Inception IMHO is that 50% of people liked the concept/story and 50% of people didn't. I don't think the quality of the cast, script, direction or acting was ever the problem with that movie in anyones eyes, unlike Prometheus. I would agree that Prometheus is technically excellent and I imagine will look lovely on BR. A shame that everything else was so awful. Of course you have your own opinion on the film and enjoyed it and I'm happy for you. Just don't assume that a lot of people didn't because of unrealistic expectations or a lack of thought. P.S 9 Discs? WTF?
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arfur
2,821 posts
83 months
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Watched this on BR last night ...
A bit swiss cheese, but an entertaining movie all the same to watch at home ...
The last two deleted scenes on the BR should have been in the movie
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fuelracer496
1,266 posts
105 months
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There's a 9 disc set available, which includes all the previous Alien films, plus a 3D & 2D disc for Prometheus, some postcards, poster, tshirt (geek on!). I got it as I didn't get round to buying the Quadrilogy when that was released. 
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garyhun
13,996 posts
97 months
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So after 21 pages .... IS it a prequel to Alien? The engineer's ship at the end - same one from Alien or another film needed for that with an engineer with ruptured rib cage?
Confused of Dorset!
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Halb
17,867 posts
52 months
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I do think Prometheus looks fantastic, like a beautifully garnished cak sandwich. Shiny and luscious, glistening with promise and inducing the taste buds to excrete saliva at at hosepipe rate, and then you prize your jaws wide, chomp down with all your might and the foetid brown liquid bile explodes in your mouth and dribbles down your chin and the stench engulfs your senses and you wretch spasmodically all over everyone. 
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JonRB
39,536 posts
141 months
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Halb said: I do think Prometheus looks fantastic, like a beautifully garnished cak sandwich. Shiny and luscious, glistening with promise and inducing the taste buds to excrete saliva at at hosepipe rate, and then you prize your jaws wide, chomp down with all your might and the foetid brown liquid bile explodes in your mouth and dribbles down your chin and the stench engulfs your senses and you wretch spasmodically all over everyone.  "God darnit, Mr. Halb, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar wh  e" 
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funkyrobot
5,941 posts
97 months
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Could someone spoiler tag a quick description of the deleted scenes?
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Bedazzled
4,086 posts
90 months
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No amount of deleted scenes will make up for "awww, look at the little alien snake thingy, it's so beautiful, come on little 'un... coochie-coochie-coo... oops... yikes... aaaargh!" Still enjoyed it though
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Oakey
13,746 posts
85 months
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garyhun said: So after 21 pages .... IS it a prequel to Alien? The engineer's ship at the end - same one from Alien or another film needed for that with an engineer with ruptured rib cage?
Confused of Dorset! I was going to say, after all the protesting from Scott that this wasn't really a prequel to the Alien films they release a boxset that includes those films? And then when Prometheus 2 comes out you can buy the new new box set.
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TonyHetherington
30,907 posts
119 months
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garyhun said: So after 21 pages .... IS it a prequel to Alien? The engineer's ship at the end - same one from Alien or another film needed for that with an engineer with ruptured rib cage? The final 'crash' site IS the one from Aliens. With the engineer with the ruptured rib cage. However, it looks slightly different but it's the same setup exactly. However, it's absolutely NOT a prequel to Alien. However it involves all the exact same creatures, and the blu-ray disc comes bundled with the Alien triology. And it's by the same bloke. But it most definitely is NOT a prequel to Alien. Oh and the titles come up the same at the beginning too. Hope it's cleared that up 
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garyhun
13,996 posts
97 months
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TonyHetherington said: garyhun said: So after 21 pages .... IS it a prequel to Alien? The engineer's ship at the end - same one from Alien or another film needed for that with an engineer with ruptured rib cage? The final 'crash' site IS the one from Aliens. With the engineer with the ruptured rib cage. However, it looks slightly different but it's the same setup exactly. However, it's absolutely NOT a prequel to Alien. However it involves all the exact same creatures, and the blu-ray disc comes bundled with the Alien triology. And it's by the same bloke. But it most definitely is NOT a prequel to Alien. Oh and the titles come up the same at the beginning too. Hope it's cleared that up Clear as mud. So if the engineer at the end of Prometheus, the one who attacks bimbo spacelady, was the one flying the ship that crashes, surely that leaves no-one in the pilot seat for an alien to erupt from? I need to sit down!
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