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Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

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im

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34,302 posts

127 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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TonyHetherington said:
im said:
The surrounding topography of the 2 crashed ships is entirely different.
I assumed that was because it was many years later?
its been well documented in this thread many times that they are 2 different planets...426 and 233.

I think people are just looking for some kinda conspiracy theory here.

rasto

1,725 posts

147 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Loving the comments that Damon Lindelhof is retweeting at the moment smile Shortly after the cinema release he got loads of (rightly deserved imho) abuse. With the DVD release, the abuse is back. He seems to take it all okay, hopefully it will make him think a bit more with his next script.

Guvernator

6,023 posts

75 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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What purpose did Charlize Theron's character actually serve? Apart from doing push-ups in her undies and getting squished in what must be one of the most unintentionally funny scenes in a movie ever, (a rolling ship I ask you rofl)

The captain who makes wild leaps of logic

The intelligent scientist who runs the hovering laser "rovers" which map out the entire site who then bizarrely gets lost.

The other intelligent scientist who moments before wanted to go back to the ship as he was too scared but then bizarrely decides to play koochi-koo with an obviously vicious snake like alien.

The crew members who decide to "do the right thing" with no more fuss or drama then as if they were deciding whether to order pizza or Indian take-away. When the time comes, I hope I'm as blaize as these cool-as-a-cucumber customers.

As the poster above rightly said, the only person who comes out of it with any dignity at all is Fassbender.

JonRB

49,747 posts

182 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Guvernator said:
What purpose did Charlize Theron's character actually serve? Apart from doing push-ups in her undies and getting squished in what must be one of the most unintentionally funny scenes in a movie ever, (a rolling ship I ask you rofl)

The captain who makes wild leaps of logic

The intelligent scientist who runs the hovering laser "rovers" which map out the entire site who then bizarrely gets lost.

The other intelligent scientist who moments before wanted to go back to the ship as he was too scared but then bizarrely decides to play koochi-koo with an obviously vicious snake like alien.

The crew members who decide to "do the right thing" with no more fuss or drama then as if they were deciding whether to order pizza or Indian take-away. When the time comes, I hope I'm as blaize as these cool-as-a-cucumber customers.

As the poster above rightly said, the only person who comes out of it with any dignity at all is Fassbender.
Don't forget the scientist whose rigorous proof for her theory is "because I choose to believe it".

DrTre

12,955 posts

142 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Stop embiggening yourselves.
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rasto

1,725 posts

147 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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JonRB said:
Don't forget the scientist whose rigorous proof for her theory is "because I choose to believe it".
Plenty of 'scientists' like that *cough* mmgw *cough* wink

otolith

32,332 posts

114 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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To be fair, none of the films of the Alien franchise stand up to the sort of concentrated geekery that had damned Prometheus. Scott should have just cooked up some hokum involving running and screaming and a "surprise" twist at the end where the Alien has not been disposed of and needs to be ejected via an airlock (or broken window).

MysteryLemon

4,766 posts

101 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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otolith said:
To be fair, none of the films of the Alien franchise stand up to the sort of concentrated geekery that had damned Prometheus. Scott should have just cooked up some hokum involving running and screaming and a "surprise" twist at the end where the Alien has not been disposed of and needs to be ejected via an airlock (or broken window).
Have to agree. Prometheus is no more flawed than any of the other Alien films. They all have silly holes in the plot that make no sense or that are totally unrealistic.

SWoll

5,998 posts

168 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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So the latest argument is that the original movies were no better?

Whilst I will agree that Alien shows it's age a little it is still full of genuine tension and is well acted/written throughout.

Aliens is a fantastic 80's action flick full of excitement and great one liners from the cast.

Prometheus has none of the above going for it, and also thinks it's being profound in some way.

bigrich4

673 posts

67 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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I bought the 3D Blu-Ray version and watched it last night and then straight after I watched the deleted/alternate scenes which made the film make a lot more sense... anyone else found the same?

Halb

32,960 posts

93 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Have to disagree, Prometheus is far more stupid than Alien or Aliens, and makes too many mistakes, that's what pisses people off. If either of the first two films had been as bad, then they could not be viewed many times over. When the internal logic of a film has too many failures, repeat viewings drop.

otolith

32,332 posts

114 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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You're looking at the old films through rose-tinted glasses. I like them, I bought the box set, but if you subject them to this degree of scrutiny they crumble too.

MiniMan64

10,754 posts

100 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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So what ARE all these mistakes in the original films?

Halb

32,960 posts

93 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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otolith said:
You're looking at the old films through rose-tinted glasses. I like them, I bought the box set, but if you subject them to this degree of scrutiny they crumble too.
You are incorrect that I look at them in rose tinted glasses.
I view them on and off, and it is not through the nostalgia of youth. The mistakes of the later ones, make repeat viewings less frequent, but still doable on occasion.
I shall watch Prometheus again, for the visuals. Not sure at this point if it would stand up to a third viewing, but it's possible.

Edited by Halb on Tuesday 9th October 19:07

vescaegg

6,835 posts

77 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Despite being dissapointed I don't think I was a much as some people on here... I did try and not hype it up too much though as I knew it couldn't live up to my own hype!

I wonder how much abuse the original films would have gotten if the Internet existed.....

Halb

32,960 posts

93 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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vescaegg said:
I wonder how much abuse the original films would have gotten if the Internet existed.....
Or not as good as they were.biggrin

vescaegg

6,835 posts

77 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Halb said:
Or not as good as they were.biggrin
:yep: but if there was negative people, picking holes in every obsessive detail, no one would have known! hehe

Halb

32,960 posts

93 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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I think it's a bit like a snowball rolling downhill, or exponential force.
There might be a few grumblings, and I am sure there were. But it only gathers momentum and becomes a 'thing' if there are enough, and coalesces together to make something that is bigger than the enjoyment of the film.

Nobody goes into a film to be disappointed and pissed off. I doubt if anyone here did. I didn't. I went in there wanting it to work (because I love good sci-fi) and hoping I would be impressed and manage to willingly suspend that disbelief that I can for so many films. But some of the acting was just awful, the characterisation was poor, and the internal logic failed, possibly due to poor editing, but it doesn't matter if we're dealing with the finished product.
I went in there wanting it to succeed, instead there were too many WTF moments for it to cohesively keep together, like the ship in Airplane 2 it started to shimmy, and once it did that it fell apart like the donought ship falling back to the planet.

SWoll

5,998 posts

168 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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otolith said:
You're looking at the old films through rose-tinted glasses. I like them, I bought the box set, but if you subject them to this degree of scrutiny they crumble too.
No, they really don't, and for the reasons I have already posted. There is no need to scrutnize or analyse Prometheus to find it's gaping flaws, they are averywhere you look.

It got non of the basics right, and when you add to that all the plot flaws that have been mentioned you've got a stinker, plain and simple.

vescaegg said:
:yep: but if there was negative people, picking holes in every obsessive detail, no one would have known! hehe
That's my point. You don't need to pick holes in obsessive details with Prometheus to qualify it as a bad film.

Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 9th October 20:20

otolith

32,332 posts

114 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Example one - the corrosiveness of xenomorph blood depends entirely upon the requirements of the plot at that time.

Example two - the laughable dialogue and characterisation of the space grunts in Aliens.

Example three - Ripley is believed to have destroyed a massively expensive spacecraft and murdered all of the crew, for which she is demoted.

3 and 4 - need I go there?