Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
Discussion
garyhun said:
Aphex said:
asian and obscure russian ones from the 70's.
Aye up, nudge nudge, wink wink 
Edited by garyhun on Friday 12th October 17:59
To be honest, people that don't like the film tend to be heavy handed with their criticism. This isn't the only forum where people that enjoy the film are branded stupid.
I won't get into an argument about the film as it's not really worth the time but the only plot hole that I agree with is the stomach operation one. With the muscles cut, no matter how many painkillers she was jacking up with, she wouldn't be running.
Oh and also to the person that wondered about the air, when she heads back to vickers/weylands pod, you see her grabbing lots of capsules which are for air
I watched this over the weekend. I love the Alien series, and i really liked Prometheus, but Prometheus isn't an "Alien" film as such.
The main difference is environment. Stay with me. All the previous Alien films (i'm not including AVP as part of the series) are exceptionally claustraphobic. Prometheus isn't, the only time there is a sense of it is when they are outside, the rest of the time they are free to walk around sans helmets etc, the space ship feels bright and open.
The other issue is peoples expectation of the film. It's not trying to be Alien or its sequels, It's trying to be Prometheus with queues from the Alien series. You have to remember this is set in the same universe as aliens so some commonality, but is a seperate entity from the rest of the films.
I do have some problems with the film, the biggest is the operation to remove the "body hugger", but i just injected a level of disbelief suspension, reasoning there must have been something going on that i just didn't see which means she can still run, albeit is a bit sore.
I'm still watching the 3.5 hour documentary but there is some interesting insight about the scripting, and how FOX essentially said thanks to the initial writer (who has no previous film credit), then brought in someone (the lost guy who also has no previous film credit) to really push it home, read in to that what you will.
The main difference is environment. Stay with me. All the previous Alien films (i'm not including AVP as part of the series) are exceptionally claustraphobic. Prometheus isn't, the only time there is a sense of it is when they are outside, the rest of the time they are free to walk around sans helmets etc, the space ship feels bright and open.
The other issue is peoples expectation of the film. It's not trying to be Alien or its sequels, It's trying to be Prometheus with queues from the Alien series. You have to remember this is set in the same universe as aliens so some commonality, but is a seperate entity from the rest of the films.
I do have some problems with the film, the biggest is the operation to remove the "body hugger", but i just injected a level of disbelief suspension, reasoning there must have been something going on that i just didn't see which means she can still run, albeit is a bit sore.
I'm still watching the 3.5 hour documentary but there is some interesting insight about the scripting, and how FOX essentially said thanks to the initial writer (who has no previous film credit), then brought in someone (the lost guy who also has no previous film credit) to really push it home, read in to that what you will.
im said:
Well you're in a minority halb.
Imdb have it at 7.3/10 whilst Rotten Tomatoes has it at 74%
Both a smidge above my score but judging by your nonsense comments
waaaaaay above what you'd give it, no?
BTW, what would you give it, out of 10?
I have been for most of my life, I'm used to it! Imdb have it at 7.3/10 whilst Rotten Tomatoes has it at 74%
Both a smidge above my score but judging by your nonsense comments
waaaaaay above what you'd give it, no?BTW, what would you give it, out of 10?
Some of my comments may seem that I don't like it or am being unduly harsh. But I don't actively dislike it! I feel it let itself down with very basic issues, and it was a missed opportunity, with all the money and creativity thrown at it.
Out of 10. Maybe 6. I would have to see how the weighting is, I prefer to break it down. But a gut reaction would be around 6ish.
I finally got around to watching it at the weekend having missed it in the cinema. I liked it, however you do keep trying to draw connections with Alien. I guess one thing was in Alien the technology was clearly not as advanced even though it was 30 years later but that was bound to happen as Alien was such an old film.
It would be interesting to see what someone that had never seen or heard of the Alien films thought of Prometheus.
It would be interesting to see what someone that had never seen or heard of the Alien films thought of Prometheus.
[quote=nonuts]I finally got around to watching it at the weekend having missed it in the cinema. I liked it, however you do keep trying to draw connections with Alien. /quote]
See that's the trouble i don't think you should, but i guess that's always going to be a problem with prequels.
Prometheus has links to the Alien films and is set in that universe, but is totally independent from it. They really should be considered a seperate franchise until such time as the two series meet.
See that's the trouble i don't think you should, but i guess that's always going to be a problem with prequels.
Prometheus has links to the Alien films and is set in that universe, but is totally independent from it. They really should be considered a seperate franchise until such time as the two series meet.
nonuts said:
I finally got around to watching it at the weekend having missed it in the cinema. I liked it, however you do keep trying to draw connections with Alien. I guess one thing was in Alien the technology was clearly not as advanced even though it was 30 years later but that was bound to happen as Alien was such an old film.
It would be interesting to see what someone that had never seen or heard of the Alien films thought of Prometheus.
The point is, even if you ignore the Alien connection and view it purely as a stand alone film, it simply isn't very good. For all the reasons that have been mentioned previously.It would be interesting to see what someone that had never seen or heard of the Alien films thought of Prometheus.
nonuts said:
I finally got around to watching it at the weekend having missed it in the cinema. I liked it, however you do keep trying to draw connections with Alien. I guess one thing was in Alien the technology was clearly not as advanced even though it was 30 years later but that was bound to happen as Alien was such an old film.
It would be interesting to see what someone that had never seen or heard of the Alien films thought of Prometheus.
Fact of the matter is, I like B-flick horror movies, and as far as SciFi movies go, I'm very easy to please (hell, I liked "The Hulk", "Spiderman 1-3" and even "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen").It would be interesting to see what someone that had never seen or heard of the Alien films thought of Prometheus.
I can handle alternate realities, warp speeds, timetravelling but petting an alien snake on first contact is just too unreal for me.
Nuclearsquash said:
Prometheus has links to the Alien films and is set in that universe, but is totally independent from it. They really should be considered a seperate franchise until such time as the two series meet.
Personally I think it would have been better if Ridley Scott had made his mind up rather than dithering around with neither fish nor foul. I thought a majority of the Alien / Aliens links and references were fairly tenuous and gratuitous anyway, and in many cases were rather clumsily done. As an aside, I found throwing in the line "we are leaving" was particularly clumsy, as it was said without a lot of conviction and seemed to jarr somewhat.
Bedazzled said:
Halb said:
Out of 10. Maybe 6.
I gave Prometheus the same score in my review, iirc. I assumed the people who are slating it had a much lower score in mind.vxr8mate said:
Watched it last night but couldn't get one thought from my mind.
spoiler text At the end the 'Jockey' dies after the alien bursts from it's chest; however, in the film Alien they discover the Jockey in the large chair in it's environmental suit with the chest open.
Er, it's not the same one!spoiler text At the end the 'Jockey' dies after the alien bursts from it's chest; however, in the film Alien they discover the Jockey in the large chair in it's environmental suit with the chest open.
PS your spoiler tag is not properly applied.
vxr8mate said:
Watched it last night but couldn't get one thought from my mind.
spoiler text At the end the 'Jockey' dies after the alien bursts from it's chest; however, in the film Alien they discover the Jockey in the large chair in it's environmental suit with the chest open.
Its not the same one!!!!!!! its a different ship a different planet its not the same one !!! spoiler text At the end the 'Jockey' dies after the alien bursts from it's chest; however, in the film Alien they discover the Jockey in the large chair in it's environmental suit with the chest open.
Which is yet more crap to be honest. Another ship were the aliens escape and then impregnate the Engineers in exactly the same fashion? As someone else said Ridley should have stopped all this stupid is it or isn't it an Alien prequel dithering and just done one or the other.
Either decide they aren't linked in which case leave the Alien birth scene out of Prometheus altogether or man the eff up and arguably give people what they really wanted and link this film directly to Alien. This would have made a lot more logical sense. Have the Engineer take off but then just as he is about to zoom off to earth, he starts to convulse, chest burster comes out and the alien ship crash lands onto LV-426 perfectly setup for Alien.
It's almost like Ridley didn't want to make this film but was forced or more likely lured into it by the promise of obscene amounts of money.
Either decide they aren't linked in which case leave the Alien birth scene out of Prometheus altogether or man the eff up and arguably give people what they really wanted and link this film directly to Alien. This would have made a lot more logical sense. Have the Engineer take off but then just as he is about to zoom off to earth, he starts to convulse, chest burster comes out and the alien ship crash lands onto LV-426 perfectly setup for Alien.
It's almost like Ridley didn't want to make this film but was forced or more likely lured into it by the promise of obscene amounts of money.
Halb said:
A question for those with the DVD extras.
At the end we get a sort of alien. Halfway trough the film there is a fresco with what looks like the alien we love in it, possibly a queen?
What is going on?
My take on that was that engineers know the possible outcomes can be if they get infected by goo - hence the fresco. At the end we get a sort of alien. Halfway trough the film there is a fresco with what looks like the alien we love in it, possibly a queen?
What is going on?
ZesPak said:
I can handle alternate realities, warp speeds, timetravelling but petting an alien snake on first contact is just too unreal for me.
Again, ths is dealt with in cut scenes. They actully happen upon the maggots prior to this and are all blown away at their first glimpse of true Alien life that isn't microbial. Their contact with those creatures without any repercussions is what gives them the confidence to touch the cobra thingy.In order to make the film 2 hours this too was left out.
The real shame though is the bit thats cut out when the Engineer is hunting Shaw onboard the escape pod. This was very reminiscent of the Alien hunting Ripley on the Nostromo and would have added so much to the finished film. During this hunt shaw constantly chops at him with an axe type implement and it explained the engineers seeming desperation to kill her, he was already badly hurt himself.
In fact, f
k it, I'll make the sequel 
...But nothing, repeat nothing can excuse that 'Geologist's' helmet with a 'built in' cigarette system – this has to be one of the most mind-numbingly stupidest ideas in the history of cinema.
Smoking is seen as socially unacceptable now – in 100 years’ time, would top scientists (I assume that’s what they are, as the mission is so important…even though they act like brainless thugs..) really be so addicted to nicotine that their helmet needs to be customised so that they can still smoke - would that be even viable?
Bloody ridiculous – even for a middling B-Movie…
Smoking is seen as socially unacceptable now – in 100 years’ time, would top scientists (I assume that’s what they are, as the mission is so important…even though they act like brainless thugs..) really be so addicted to nicotine that their helmet needs to be customised so that they can still smoke - would that be even viable?
Bloody ridiculous – even for a middling B-Movie…
Guvernator said:
This would have made a lot more logical sense. Have the Engineer take off but then just as he is about to zoom off to earth, he starts to convulse, chest burster comes out and the alien ship crash lands onto LV-426 perfectly setup for Alien.
Wouldn't work. Engineer alien would of had to be a queen to lay all the eggs on the engineer's ship in place for 'Alien'. Also all the black goo would of needed to disappear so it didn't turn up in Alien.I agree though, it would have tied up nicely. Except I think Ridley is going in a different direction with this.
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