Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
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p1stonhead said:
MartG said:
Aliens vs Couples is also genius. I thought to myself they are gonna get chewed! But then I remembered what my lovely OH is like when it's blob week and had to reconsider, catch those couples at the wrong time of the month and the Xenomorphs don't stand a f
kin chance. 
Mr Snrub said:
DamienB said:
Simple, Alien 5 had some hope of being any good. Alien Covenant is practically guaranteed to be a glossy steaming turd.
Blomkamp's last few films have been critically panned though, so maybe it's for the best"last few" he's only made 3 ha ha.
I think if he avoids the use of bloody awful South African rappers he'll be okay. That might be the source of his problems, I suspect he’d want to film in SA, using lots of SA actors and that might be a sticking point for the backers.
I thought his dirty style would be great for an Aliens sequel, and ignoring 3 would give him all the room he needed to make a great Alien film...
Saying that, I still say "how could you f
k this up?!" every time I've seen a film featuring the Alien since Aliens, for a franchise that seems to the layman unfkupable, it's had a lot more misses than hits. P-Jay said:
Saying that, I still say "how could you fk this up?!" every time I've seen a film featuring the Alien since Aliens, for a franchise that seems to the layman unfkupable, it's had a lot more misses than hits.
Right with you on this one, I'm not a filmaker but it really does seem like it should be easier to make a good Alien film then a bad one and yet we've had countless horrible Alien and AvP films, Prometheus probably being the most shocking of the lot. k this up?!" every time I've seen a film featuring the Alien since Aliens, for a franchise that seems to the layman unfkupable, it's had a lot more misses than hits. When I first heard about it I was like wow a prequel to one of my favourite movies with Aliens, Space Jockies and Ridley Scott, this is going to be the best film ever made without even breaking a sweat.......OH. How do you mix those fantastic ingredients and still get something so wrong?
P-Jay said:
Mr Snrub said:
DamienB said:
Simple, Alien 5 had some hope of being any good. Alien Covenant is practically guaranteed to be a glossy steaming turd.
Blomkamp's last few films have been critically panned though, so maybe it's for the best"last few" he's only made 3 ha ha.
I like Alien3 but it's not a patch on the previous two.
If it had been a standalone movie I think it would have been better received. Good setting and visuals, good characters.
It had the added problem that it was killed the same way as T2 so looked like a copy cat kill the unkillable monster ending.
If it had been a standalone movie I think it would have been better received. Good setting and visuals, good characters.
It had the added problem that it was killed the same way as T2 so looked like a copy cat kill the unkillable monster ending.
Guvernator said:
Right with you on this one, I'm not a filmaker but it really does seem like it should be easier to make a good Alien film then a bad one and yet we've had countless horrible Alien and AvP films, Prometheus probably being the most shocking of the lot.
I actually think it's far easier to make a terrible alien film, and quite a tricky path now to make a good one. It's so easy to be lazy. There's a reason that ALien and ALiens are classics. The first was made by an advert bloke and is a classic simple horror story, with stuff that made the genre/cliche. The second was a sequel which was made by a top film-maker at the zenith of his creative output. Back then it was still all raw. By the time the third came around it had become a thing, these days called a franchise. I recall all the stty stuff they tried in the comics and the toys. And then there was ALien³ which was film by committee and forgetting everything about story, character and pace and going for cheap gimmicks to make it 'new', and it's been the same ever since. As long as it's seen as a cash cow franchise they'll suck.RemyMartin81D said:
Not sure why people have a hard on for slating alien 3 given the alien franchise it's a bloody solid film.
The biggest problem for Alien 3 was coming off the back of Aliens. Plus the fact that the theatrical release was full of holes - holes that were thankfully plugged in the later special edition. The SE is a much better movie.
a few weeks back I bought the bluray quadrilogy box set!
Alien in bluray is an even better film than the original I saw on VHS and then DVD, so much more to see and so very well filmed when you can see it for what it really is.
Aliens in bluray is odd...not sure what media James Cameron used to film it but it didn't convert to bluray very well, quite a few out of focus scenes and something just not right.
same goes for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
Alien in bluray is an even better film than the original I saw on VHS and then DVD, so much more to see and so very well filmed when you can see it for what it really is.
Aliens in bluray is odd...not sure what media James Cameron used to film it but it didn't convert to bluray very well, quite a few out of focus scenes and something just not right.
same goes for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
Moonhawk said:
The biggest problem for Alien 3 was coming off the back of Aliens.
Agree, you had the scary monster no-one saw and so it was all tense and then you barely saw it at the end. In the second one it was 'Wow, look at it! And there's tons of them.' After that it was more of the same. I like the AvP idea (loved that film!) and Prometheus which both had new and creative ideas but the second AvP was dire, clearly with no budget and Prometheus looks like the idea has died a death. I loved this 'engineer' idea and they could have done so much more with it.
Frimley111R said:
Agree, you had the scary monster no-one saw and so it was all tense and then you barely saw it at the end. In the second one it was 'Wow, look at it! And there's tons of them.' After that it was more of the same.
I like the AvP idea (loved that film!) and Prometheus which both had new and creative ideas but the second AvP was dire, clearly with no budget and Prometheus looks like the idea has died a death. I loved this 'engineer' idea and they could have done so much more with it.
That pretty much sums it up for me.I like the AvP idea (loved that film!) and Prometheus which both had new and creative ideas but the second AvP was dire, clearly with no budget and Prometheus looks like the idea has died a death. I loved this 'engineer' idea and they could have done so much more with it.
slartibartfast said:
a few weeks back I bought the bluray quadrilogy box set!
Alien in bluray is an even better film than the original I saw on VHS and then DVD, so much more to see and so very well filmed when you can see it for what it really is.
Aliens in bluray is odd...not sure what media James Cameron used to film it but it didn't convert to bluray very well, quite a few out of focus scenes and something just not right.
same goes for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
I went on a film camera / stock binge read a little while ago and yeah, they used an unpopular camera / film. Predator is similar (I seem to recall that John McTiernan took huff with the studio when they forced the cameras on him!) Alien in bluray is an even better film than the original I saw on VHS and then DVD, so much more to see and so very well filmed when you can see it for what it really is.
Aliens in bluray is odd...not sure what media James Cameron used to film it but it didn't convert to bluray very well, quite a few out of focus scenes and something just not right.
same goes for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
If you're are all interested, I found this site a bit of a nerds dream!
https://shotonwhat.com/aliens-1986
But yeah, some of the backgrounds don't hold up on Bluray. I'm watching on a projector and that really shows up some of the dodgy effects! But I'll forgive it because the aspect ratio takes up the whole screen (no black bars top and bottom) and because its still absolutely brilliant!
A lot of films made in the 80s look pretty rough on BluRay. I seem to recall reading Cinema was really in the decline in favour of home viewing and obviously VHS quality was ropey at best (by todays standards) so why blow the budget on great filmstock.
Bladerunner looked crap on Bluray too, but I think they've made a remastered better version since and it looks great now.
Bladerunner looked crap on Bluray too, but I think they've made a remastered better version since and it looks great now.
ChocolateFrog said:
IIRC Aliens 3 was significantly watered down from the original ideas/concept, wasn't the idea originally for it to be set on a wooden planet?. It was close to being a great film.
Prometheus was made terrible by the totally retarded characters.
Wooden planet occupied by monks iirc. They kept the no weapons thing and moved to a prison because of cost Prometheus was made terrible by the totally retarded characters.
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