Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
Discussion
Patrick Bateman said:
I'm going to try and avoid any more trailers. The Prometheus ones were fantastic but gave too much away.
Surely that is the problem with trailers anyway? Theonly trailers I like are ones that don't use scenes from the movie. If I'm excited about a film and really want to see it, I refuse to watch trailers. If I do see a trailer it usually puts me off a film if it's obvious it's a montage of all the 'big moments' - why would I want to sit through all the crappy dialogue and romance scenes if I've already seen the big payoffs?
The Xenomorphs from Aliens are not really bad Aliens.
When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning s
t up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.
Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning s
t up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Skii said:
More to the point how does the ship then end up crashed into a hillside ..
The ship in Alien may not be the same ship as that in Prometheus/Covenant - we know from Prometheus that the engineers posses more than one ship of that design - it may be like the ford escort of engineer ships.vsonix said:
Surely that is the problem with trailers anyway? The
only trailers I like are ones that don't use scenes from the movie. If I'm excited about a film and really want to see it, I refuse to watch trailers. If I do see a trailer it usually puts me off a film if it's obvious it's a montage of all the 'big moments' - why would I want to sit through all the crappy dialogue and romance scenes if I've already seen the big payoffs?
On that note, the Dunkirk teaser trailer is one of the best I've seen-only trailers I like are ones that don't use scenes from the movie. If I'm excited about a film and really want to see it, I refuse to watch trailers. If I do see a trailer it usually puts me off a film if it's obvious it's a montage of all the 'big moments' - why would I want to sit through all the crappy dialogue and romance scenes if I've already seen the big payoffs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6BEcoM0zik
Du1point8 said:
The Xenomorphs from Aliens are not really bad Aliens.
When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning st up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.
Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Well that's certainly and alternative view...When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning s
t up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Frimley111R said:
Du1point8 said:
The Xenomorphs from Aliens are not really bad Aliens.
When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning st up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.
Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Well that's certainly and alternative view...When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning s
t up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Du1point8 said:
The Xenomorphs from Aliens are not really bad Aliens.
When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning st up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.
Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Are you Chris Packham?When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning s
t up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Frimley111R said:
Du1point8 said:
The Xenomorphs from Aliens are not really bad Aliens.
When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning st up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.
Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Well that's certainly and alternative view...When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning s
t up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Is a parasitic wasp evil when it lays it's eggs inside a beetle lava. Are bees evil when they swarm a hornet trying to get into the hive? Is a lion evil when it kills a zebra for food?
Humans are simply the beetle lava, hornet and zebras of this story. The only difference is - the beetle lava, hornet and zebra don't often get to tell the story from their perspective
Moonhawk said:
Frimley111R said:
Du1point8 said:
The Xenomorphs from Aliens are not really bad Aliens.
When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning st up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.
Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Well that's certainly and alternative view...When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning s
t up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Is a parasitic wasp evil when it lays it's eggs inside a beetle lava. Are bees evil when they swarm a hornet trying to get into the hive? Is a lion evil when it kills a zebra for food?
Humans are simply the beetle lava, hornet and zebras of this story. The only difference is - the beetle lava, hornet and zebra don't often get to tell the story from their perspective
Zod said:
Du1point8 said:
The Xenomorphs from Aliens are not really bad Aliens.
When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning st up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.
Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Are you Chris Packham?When it comes to the first film, it’s debatable who’s in the right. On one hand, the humans came down to where the aliens had all their eggs stored, so it’s no different then someone trespassing in our nurseries and chicken farms and just trampling around. Then, it gets born on a ship full of people and it’s just trying to find it’s way out.
Then again, the android did have some odd protocols to follow from Wayland-Yutani.
In the sequel, however, we invaded their planet with our terraforming colony, so they were just protecting what was theirs. Then soldiers come with bigger weapons and flame-throwers and start burning s
t up, and they’re not expected to defend their home? Please.Imagine if the aliens attacked earth, and we defended it from their terraforming attempts. We’d be the heroes. It’s all because the aliens look the way they do.
It’s judging a book by it’s cover, is what it is.
Lance Catamaran said:
To be good or evil you have to have a sense of morality, which only humans do. Even then, it's often just a point of view. The Nazis didn't think they were evil, they thought they were doing good in ridding the world of undesirables.
How do you know only humans do?Halb said:
Lance Catamaran said:
To be good or evil you have to have a sense of morality, which only humans do. Even then, it's often just a point of view. The Nazis didn't think they were evil, they thought they were doing good in ridding the world of undesirables.
How do you know only humans do?The real let down for me with the latest instalments of this franchise has been the actual Physical size of the Engineers. In the original Alien film we were led to believe that they were HUGE judging by the fossilised relic in the pilots seat yet now they are only slightly bigger than us. Also, in the original, the pilot had been burst out of from within and it was clearly ribs we were seeing cracked open but again, now we told they wear suits in those seats.
I thought the mystery of the Engineers was great but the recent reveal has been most disappointing.
I thought the mystery of the Engineers was great but the recent reveal has been most disappointing.
I've just been reading the reviews for Covenant and here is a synopsys
Reviews for the sixth instalment in the Alien franchise (eighth including Alien vs Predator) have arrived, Alien: Covenant being praised as unanimously better than Prometheus, but perhaps a little old hat.
The Independent calls the prequel/sequel part ‘claustrophobic, sweat-dripped horror’, part ‘philosophical treatise’ that manages to encapsulate all that was great about Alien, Aliens, Prometheus.
The Telegraph also awards Ridleys Scott’s latest space-adventure a perfect score, their critic Robbie Collin highlighting how Covenant embraces Alien’s horror history while elaborating on Prometheus’s themes.
The Hollywood Reporter heaps praise onto the blockbuster, calling it ‘the most satisfying entry in the six-films-and-counting franchise since the first two.’
Other publications were less positive about the film, The Guardian’s Peter Bradshaw criticising Covenant for feeling stale, a greatest-hits compilation that fails to impress. Radio Times expresses a similar sentiment, saying a new director may have been able to keep the franchise feeling fresh.
The Independent - Clarisse Loughrey - 5/5
Covenant, thrives on its own self-awareness. We know the drill. The infection starts small then it builds and builds until the singular moment all hell breaks loose. Director Ridley Scott finds mischievous delight in carefully tracking the first parasite's journey into the first victim's ear canal, and down to burrow into their bloodstream, all while the audience's hearts start clattering in their chests. They won't stop until the credits roll.
The Guardian - Peter Bradshaw - 3/5
The vu has never been so déja: it’s a greatest-hits compilation of the other Alien films’ freaky moments. The paradox is that though you are intended to recognise these touches, you won’t really be impressed unless you happen to be seeing them for the first time. For all this, the film is very capably made, with forceful, potent performances from Waterston and Fassbender. That franchise title is, however, looking increasingly wrong. It is a bit familiar.
The Telegraph - Robbie Collin 5/5
Scott’s Alien: Covenant is a mad scientist film – arguably, one of the maddest. It’s grandiose, exhilarating, vertiginously cynical and symphonically perverse, and around a million miles from the crowd-pleasing Alien retread Twentieth Century Fox have presumably been begging the 79-year-old director to make.
The Hollywood Reporter - Todd McCarthy
Alien: Covenant is everything you could ever want from an Alien movie
Scott and the writers have achieved an outstanding balance in Alien: Covenant among numerous different elements: Intelligent speculation and textbook sci-fi presumptions, startlingly inventive action and audience-pleasing old standbys, philosophical considerations and inescapable genre conventions, intense visual splendor and gore at its most grisly. The drama flows gorgeously and, unlike in many other franchises in which entries keep getting longer every time out, this one is served up without an ounce of fat. It provides all the tension and action the mainstream audience could want, along with a good deal more.
The Mirror - Chris Hunneysett - 5/5
Despite displaying Weaver's kick-ass aptitude, Waterston is overawed by a majestic Michael Fassbender. He's mesmeric in a dual role as synthetic androids, David and Walter. Scott's final theatrical flourish sends the franchise spinning out in a new direction. This is screamingly great cinema.
Den of Geek - Ryan Lambie - 3/5
Alien: Covenant’s problems only really begin to tell in the second half. While the movie doesn’t lose its coherency in the way that Prometheus did, the story does delve into similarly awkward, faintly kitsch storytelling territory. One of the issues is, surprisingly, Michael Fassbender, who plays two roles here. As well as David, the actor also appears as Walter, a newer model of synthetic with fewer personality malfunctions than his predecessor.
Radio Times - Terry Staunton - 3/5
Scott has relinquished the directorial reins of the upcoming Blade Runner sequel, and it might have been wise to do the same here, to bring a more fully formed perspective and a fresh slant to the saga. Unlike the crew of another spacecraft with a sizeable cinema pedigree, he seems frustratingly content to boldly go exactly where he’s gone before.
Reviews for the sixth instalment in the Alien franchise (eighth including Alien vs Predator) have arrived, Alien: Covenant being praised as unanimously better than Prometheus, but perhaps a little old hat.
The Independent calls the prequel/sequel part ‘claustrophobic, sweat-dripped horror’, part ‘philosophical treatise’ that manages to encapsulate all that was great about Alien, Aliens, Prometheus.
The Telegraph also awards Ridleys Scott’s latest space-adventure a perfect score, their critic Robbie Collin highlighting how Covenant embraces Alien’s horror history while elaborating on Prometheus’s themes.
The Hollywood Reporter heaps praise onto the blockbuster, calling it ‘the most satisfying entry in the six-films-and-counting franchise since the first two.’
Other publications were less positive about the film, The Guardian’s Peter Bradshaw criticising Covenant for feeling stale, a greatest-hits compilation that fails to impress. Radio Times expresses a similar sentiment, saying a new director may have been able to keep the franchise feeling fresh.
The Independent - Clarisse Loughrey - 5/5
Covenant, thrives on its own self-awareness. We know the drill. The infection starts small then it builds and builds until the singular moment all hell breaks loose. Director Ridley Scott finds mischievous delight in carefully tracking the first parasite's journey into the first victim's ear canal, and down to burrow into their bloodstream, all while the audience's hearts start clattering in their chests. They won't stop until the credits roll.
The Guardian - Peter Bradshaw - 3/5
The vu has never been so déja: it’s a greatest-hits compilation of the other Alien films’ freaky moments. The paradox is that though you are intended to recognise these touches, you won’t really be impressed unless you happen to be seeing them for the first time. For all this, the film is very capably made, with forceful, potent performances from Waterston and Fassbender. That franchise title is, however, looking increasingly wrong. It is a bit familiar.
The Telegraph - Robbie Collin 5/5
Scott’s Alien: Covenant is a mad scientist film – arguably, one of the maddest. It’s grandiose, exhilarating, vertiginously cynical and symphonically perverse, and around a million miles from the crowd-pleasing Alien retread Twentieth Century Fox have presumably been begging the 79-year-old director to make.
The Hollywood Reporter - Todd McCarthy
Alien: Covenant is everything you could ever want from an Alien movie
Scott and the writers have achieved an outstanding balance in Alien: Covenant among numerous different elements: Intelligent speculation and textbook sci-fi presumptions, startlingly inventive action and audience-pleasing old standbys, philosophical considerations and inescapable genre conventions, intense visual splendor and gore at its most grisly. The drama flows gorgeously and, unlike in many other franchises in which entries keep getting longer every time out, this one is served up without an ounce of fat. It provides all the tension and action the mainstream audience could want, along with a good deal more.
The Mirror - Chris Hunneysett - 5/5
Despite displaying Weaver's kick-ass aptitude, Waterston is overawed by a majestic Michael Fassbender. He's mesmeric in a dual role as synthetic androids, David and Walter. Scott's final theatrical flourish sends the franchise spinning out in a new direction. This is screamingly great cinema.
Den of Geek - Ryan Lambie - 3/5
Alien: Covenant’s problems only really begin to tell in the second half. While the movie doesn’t lose its coherency in the way that Prometheus did, the story does delve into similarly awkward, faintly kitsch storytelling territory. One of the issues is, surprisingly, Michael Fassbender, who plays two roles here. As well as David, the actor also appears as Walter, a newer model of synthetic with fewer personality malfunctions than his predecessor.
Radio Times - Terry Staunton - 3/5
Scott has relinquished the directorial reins of the upcoming Blade Runner sequel, and it might have been wise to do the same here, to bring a more fully formed perspective and a fresh slant to the saga. Unlike the crew of another spacecraft with a sizeable cinema pedigree, he seems frustratingly content to boldly go exactly where he’s gone before.
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