Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
Discussion
Westy Pre-Lit said:
im said:
Wow rich, thanks for the help. Makes me happy I started the thread knowing I'd get such great feedback.
Unfortunatly I think you'll find his social skills are somewhat limited at times lol.Am at work at the moment so will try to reply to your post later.
XRS said:
Complete and utter tosh. Some well-known actors will look back at this and be seriously embarassed that they took part.
Unlikely.In 10 years time people will be calling this a masterpiece and uttering it in the same sentence as 'Apocalypse Now' and 'Blade Runner'; all because it has massive plot holes that people will argue are supposed to leave it to the viewer to fill the gaps with his 'imagination'.
The sequel has a lot of work to do in order to pull this possible train wreck of a storyline back on track...
Just looked for some 'plot holes' in BR.
This guy thinks he has made a connection between Prometheus and BR, I don't think he has.
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/t...
BR isn't as flakey as Prometheus, or badly acted either.
This guy thinks he has made a connection between Prometheus and BR, I don't think he has.
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/t...
BR isn't as flakey as Prometheus, or badly acted either.
JonRB said:
You know, you ceased being funny years ago Rich. Why don't you go find some other forums to troll?
I am sorry, I thought that someone posting some videos suggesting that the mediocre Sci-Fi Film Promethius are factual was worth being critical of.I didn't know that you were in on the videos too.
Watched Aliens last night, for no particular reason but seems apt given this thread resurrection. The general premise of Prometheus and "plot" - had it been scribbled down on a napkin over dinner, is sound.
However, why are there so many holes and genuinely daft parts of the story? Did no one read it beforehand and think "this is nonsense - I've marked all the scenes in red pen that need to be re-written to make this a coherent story"? Maybe it has been heavily cut on the behest of the studio and we can look forward to the 5hr director's cut that actually makes sense?
The characters are weak and totally unrealistic in their personalities and interaction with each other. Special effects are obviously good and it looks great. A good idea badly executed. What really disappoints is that this is a Ridley Scott film - he's had 30 years to make it and this is the best he could do?! The reason that Alien is so good is because of the tight script, the totally believable characters; their interaction with each other and reaction to the events occurring around them. It's a taut thriller set in a Sci-Fi world.
Prometheus appears to be a James Cameron film rather than a Ridley Scott one. But given that I watched Aliens last night, I think that even Cameron would have done a better job with Prometheus!
The end of the film has clearly been set up for a sequel (or 2) and there are intriguing possibilities, if we consider the broad story of the first. There is a chance for Scott to redeem himself with the sequel and the fact that the original writer is not available, can only be seen as a positive!
Finally and this applies to all films; do film-makers get so engrossed and swept up in the job that they are doing, sometimes taking years of their lives, that they cannot see the wood for the trees when it comes to the final cut? So many films I watch where you wonder, given all the time, money and talent involved, how they ever got released? When watching the first series of edits, do the makers not sit there and think "this is garbage, it makes no sense. We need to redo at least 3 scenes. I can't possibly put my name to it" - or is everyone too scared to say anything - like the Emperor's new clothes?
However, why are there so many holes and genuinely daft parts of the story? Did no one read it beforehand and think "this is nonsense - I've marked all the scenes in red pen that need to be re-written to make this a coherent story"? Maybe it has been heavily cut on the behest of the studio and we can look forward to the 5hr director's cut that actually makes sense?
The characters are weak and totally unrealistic in their personalities and interaction with each other. Special effects are obviously good and it looks great. A good idea badly executed. What really disappoints is that this is a Ridley Scott film - he's had 30 years to make it and this is the best he could do?! The reason that Alien is so good is because of the tight script, the totally believable characters; their interaction with each other and reaction to the events occurring around them. It's a taut thriller set in a Sci-Fi world.
Prometheus appears to be a James Cameron film rather than a Ridley Scott one. But given that I watched Aliens last night, I think that even Cameron would have done a better job with Prometheus!
The end of the film has clearly been set up for a sequel (or 2) and there are intriguing possibilities, if we consider the broad story of the first. There is a chance for Scott to redeem himself with the sequel and the fact that the original writer is not available, can only be seen as a positive!
Finally and this applies to all films; do film-makers get so engrossed and swept up in the job that they are doing, sometimes taking years of their lives, that they cannot see the wood for the trees when it comes to the final cut? So many films I watch where you wonder, given all the time, money and talent involved, how they ever got released? When watching the first series of edits, do the makers not sit there and think "this is garbage, it makes no sense. We need to redo at least 3 scenes. I can't possibly put my name to it" - or is everyone too scared to say anything - like the Emperor's new clothes?
M4FFU said:
im said:
I appreciate that chap, but what was the video about fella?
Cheers.
Monuments on earth created in 2500BC map star formations last seen in 10,000BC. Records of these formations have been kept all that time, as it 'can not be a coincidence.' Cheers.
Lots of the sites of these monuments are in a sequence across the planet which could have only occured if someone or something had the power to survey the world and put these installations in the 'correct' place.
And that's when I gave up. Lots of "I believe" and "can not be coincidence" but I'll admit I didn't listen to the entire thing. Docu feels about 25 odd years old, tho'.
TEKNOPUG said:
Watched Aliens last night, for no particular reason but seems apt given this thread resurrection. The general premise of Prometheus and "plot" - had it been scribbled down on a napkin over dinner, is sound.
However, why are there so many holes and genuinely daft parts of the story? Did no one read it beforehand and think "this is nonsense - I've marked all the scenes in red pen that need to be re-written to make this a coherent story"? Maybe it has been heavily cut on the behest of the studio and we can look forward to the 5hr director's cut that actually makes sense?
The characters are weak and totally unrealistic in their personalities and interaction with each other. Special effects are obviously good and it looks great. A good idea badly executed. What really disappoints is that this is a Ridley Scott film - he's had 30 years to make it and this is the best he could do?! The reason that Alien is so good is because of the tight script, the totally believable characters; their interaction with each other and reaction to the events occurring around them. It's a taut thriller set in a Sci-Fi world.
Prometheus appears to be a James Cameron film rather than a Ridley Scott one. But given that I watched Aliens last night, I think that even Cameron would have done a better job with Prometheus!
The end of the film has clearly been set up for a sequel (or 2) and there are intriguing possibilities, if we consider the broad story of the first. There is a chance for Scott to redeem himself with the sequel and the fact that the original writer is not available, can only be seen as a positive!
Finally and this applies to all films; do film-makers get so engrossed and swept up in the job that they are doing, sometimes taking years of their lives, that they cannot see the wood for the trees when it comes to the final cut? So many films I watch where you wonder, given all the time, money and talent involved, how they ever got released? When watching the first series of edits, do the makers not sit there and think "this is garbage, it makes no sense. We need to redo at least 3 scenes. I can't possibly put my name to it" - or is everyone too scared to say anything - like the Emperor's new clothes?
Great post and completely agree with every word (My immediate thought after watching was "has this been cut by 1-2 hours as it makes no f*****g sense at all?).However, why are there so many holes and genuinely daft parts of the story? Did no one read it beforehand and think "this is nonsense - I've marked all the scenes in red pen that need to be re-written to make this a coherent story"? Maybe it has been heavily cut on the behest of the studio and we can look forward to the 5hr director's cut that actually makes sense?
The characters are weak and totally unrealistic in their personalities and interaction with each other. Special effects are obviously good and it looks great. A good idea badly executed. What really disappoints is that this is a Ridley Scott film - he's had 30 years to make it and this is the best he could do?! The reason that Alien is so good is because of the tight script, the totally believable characters; their interaction with each other and reaction to the events occurring around them. It's a taut thriller set in a Sci-Fi world.
Prometheus appears to be a James Cameron film rather than a Ridley Scott one. But given that I watched Aliens last night, I think that even Cameron would have done a better job with Prometheus!
The end of the film has clearly been set up for a sequel (or 2) and there are intriguing possibilities, if we consider the broad story of the first. There is a chance for Scott to redeem himself with the sequel and the fact that the original writer is not available, can only be seen as a positive!
Finally and this applies to all films; do film-makers get so engrossed and swept up in the job that they are doing, sometimes taking years of their lives, that they cannot see the wood for the trees when it comes to the final cut? So many films I watch where you wonder, given all the time, money and talent involved, how they ever got released? When watching the first series of edits, do the makers not sit there and think "this is garbage, it makes no sense. We need to redo at least 3 scenes. I can't possibly put my name to it" - or is everyone too scared to say anything - like the Emperor's new clothes?
Ridley does seem to have an issue with editing his films together. The first time I saw Kingdom of Heaven I was disappointed (nowhere near the same level as Prometheus though) but the Directors cut is a great film and one of the few I have on both DVD and Blu-Ray. Look how many cuts of BR there have been also...
im said:
M4FFU said:
im said:
I appreciate that chap, but what was the video about fella?
Cheers.
Monuments on earth created in 2500BC map star formations last seen in 10,000BC. Records of these formations have been kept all that time, as it 'can not be a coincidence.' Cheers.
Lots of the sites of these monuments are in a sequence across the planet which could have only occured if someone or something had the power to survey the world and put these installations in the 'correct' place.
And that's when I gave up. Lots of "I believe" and "can not be coincidence" but I'll admit I didn't listen to the entire thing. Docu feels about 25 odd years old, tho'.
TEKNOPUG said:
Is this the doc where it's all "and if we simply rotate the Pyramids by 37 degrees and then scale them up by 1.7 times, then move Ankor Wat 12 degrees of longitude and assume that Machu Pichu was originally built in New Mexico....then they all line up..."?
Worse, than that.It's ok though as Westy-Pre-Litard believes it.
I have never known a film this crap (or mediocre at best) get so many dedicated pages! (let's be honest here, take away the SFX and what have you got? A movie with a storyline that perhaps Roger Corman was knocking out ten to the dozen a few decades ago)
The fact that a sequel is in the works speaks volumes, I think, about the current bad state of Hollywood right now. It seems we'll fall for any old crud if it's the right filmaker and franchise!
The fact that a sequel is in the works speaks volumes, I think, about the current bad state of Hollywood right now. It seems we'll fall for any old crud if it's the right filmaker and franchise!
Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 25th September 15:07
Because so many people wanted it to be good. Ridley Scott doing another Alien film! His own directing and producing! It's going to be awesome! Cue lots of very disappointed people. It's just a badly executed movie, which is inexcusable given the quality of previous Scott efforts. One doesn't know whether a fat Hollywood exec has take a knife to the original story/cut but given that it was Scott's own production company and 30 years in the making.....the buck stops with him. If this is his "vision" then I'd suggest a quiet word with himself and possibly a career re-evaluation. It reminds me of Predators - all the right ingredients are there but it's be mixed in the wrong order, with the wrong proportions and over-baked.
We can only hope that there is a directors cut on the way or that this was just a cynical marketing exercise in order to raise funds to make the film he really wants (sequel).
We can only hope that there is a directors cut on the way or that this was just a cynical marketing exercise in order to raise funds to make the film he really wants (sequel).
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