Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

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JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

264 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Well,

After all this chat about the first 2 being flawed (Aliens is my all time favourite film!) I've cracked the BluRay out and am settling down to Special Edition Aliens + Red Wine!

In the words of Vasquez!
Lets Roccccccccccccckk

JonRB

74,402 posts

271 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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JamieBeeston said:
In the words of Vasquez!
Lets Roccccccccccccckk
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Happy82

15,077 posts

168 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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slartibartfast said:
Happy82 said:
MocMocaMoc said:
I really, really enjoyed watching Noomi Rapace and not just becuse I fancy her.
I thought I recognised her from something else, did a google and let's just say that the result on Dailymotion is NSFW laugh

searced dailymotion... what am I looking for? boobies I need boobies
Film is called Daisy Diamond

dxg

8,124 posts

259 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Biggest disappointments for me:

- the incidental music - so bad it was distracting.

- the overt religion - the film smacked of an aged director who's found his own faith and is now ramming it down our throats. What did the non-Christian audience make of the film, I wonder? And, anointing the feet? COME ON! (Although perhaps he was making a point about false Gods and the end of the consumer-industrial complex. I mean, what did their technology bring the Prometheus' crew? Certainly not answers).


But the biggest disappointment was the characterisation, or lack of it. All we got were the Alien(s) archetypes rolled out once again. Hell, the central character was just Ripley with some faith rolled in.


The biggest promise, however, is the connection of David with the Bladerunner canon. By God [sic!], he'd better not make as much of a balls-up of that as he did of this.

Such promise. Such a let-down.

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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dxg said:
Biggest disappointments for me:

- the incidental music - so bad it was distracting.

- the overt religion - the film smacked of an aged director who's found his own faith and is now ramming it down our throats. What did the non-Christian audience make of the film, I wonder? And, anointing the feet? COME ON! (Although perhaps he was making a point about false Gods and the end of the consumer-industrial complex. I mean, what did their technology bring the Prometheus' crew? Certainly not answers).


But the biggest disappointment was the characterisation, or lack of it. All we got were the Alien(s) archetypes rolled out once again. Hell, the central character was just Ripley with some faith rolled in.


The biggest promise, however, is the connection of David with the Bladerunner canon. By God [sic!], he'd better not make as much of a balls-up of that as he did of this.

Such promise. Such a let-down.
HE completely wimped out over the religion. the main character is religious and when questioned she answers "who made them" complete get out cause in order not to offend anybody.

Agree over the characterisation but the main character was no ripley why was she even on the mission anyway because she found a cave drawing? Like Weyland would give a fk about that and why was he pretending to be dead anyway.




Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

199 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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r1flyguy1 said:
Hi all, instead of having to read through 89 pages wink

Did anyone see the last minute or so after the film end credits had finished??

Regards
r1
What? I've just watched the credits, the only odd thing is the very last graphic, is a Weyland company logo, saying they have been building better worlds since 10/11/12 (presumably thats American so is 11October12), unless the sequel has gone into production, this is merely a joke. Care to expand? Or have a I fallen for an oh so funny, made you watch the credits?

r1flyguy1

1,567 posts

175 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Northern Munkee said:
What? I've just watched the credits, the only odd thing is the very last graphic, is a Weyland company logo, saying they have been building better worlds since 10/11/12 (presumably thats American so is 11October12), unless the sequel has gone into production, this is merely a joke. Care to expand? Or have a I fallen for an oh so funny, made you watch the credits?
No seriously,I watched it recently and unless I'm seriously confused, (i was on a long haul flight) there was a minute or so at the very end where an alien emerges, hence the prequel to the alien films.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong

Cheers

r1flyguy1

1,567 posts

175 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Just did a search on you tube, it's on there wink

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

227 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Do you mean the scene where the alien emerges from the Engineer the big squid face got? If so, then that has been seen by quite a few people.

If not, do you have a YouTube linky? I'm intrigued smile

TEKNOPUG

18,844 posts

204 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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It was in the version I saw at the cinema confused

ZesPak

24,423 posts

195 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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TEKNOPUG said:
It was in the version I saw at the cinema confused
yes
So did I.
And I hated that part.

I mean, what does that mean? Is that critter supposed to be the first Alien??
If yes, weren't there Aliens with the mayans and the like (AvP)?
Wasn't Predator 2 set in "current day" or the near future? (the Predator had an Alien "skull" on his trophy wall).


Raify

6,552 posts

247 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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ZesPak said:
the Predator had an Alien "skull" on his trophy wall
That makes even less sense than Prometheus, Aliens have exoskeletons...

Here are 100 glaring errors in Prometheus: http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/fictional-scien...

ZesPak

24,423 posts

195 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Raify said:
That makes even less sense than Prometheus, Aliens have exoskeletons...

Here are 100 glaring errors in Prometheus: http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/fictional-scien...
hehe I know, that's why I said "skull".

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

229 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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I rented it from iTunes last night and the alien 'birth' bit was just at the end of the film, before the credits.

FWIW, I was a little disappointed with it too, the trailer promised a lot more. Sadly another victim of ruthless post production cuts, only to be potentially saved by a director's cut.

im

Original Poster:

34,302 posts

216 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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ZesPak said:
yes
So did I.
And I hated that part.

I mean, what does that mean? Is that critter supposed to be the first Alien??
If yes, weren't there Aliens with the mayans and the like (AvP)?
Wasn't Predator 2 set in "current day" or the near future? (the Predator had an Alien "skull" on his trophy wall).

confused

AvP and Prometheus are set in ENTIRELY different universes. Ridley does not associate his storyline with anything other than his original Alien film.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Raify said:
Here are 100 glaring errors in Prometheus: http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/fictional-scien...
I find that list works better if you read it out loud in a really adenoidal voice nerd

"I think you might find that the preferred unit of astronomical distance is not the kilometer!"

He's happy to swallow faster than light travel and stasis pods, but takes issue with the material used for the windows and suggests cameras and screens as used in Star Trek? Maybe Scottie popped in and spent twenty seconds keying in the formula for "transparent aluminum"?

He thinks that the fact that a 21st century human should be immediately able to understand how the space ship of a species which has been terraforming and seeding life across the universe since before humanity existed propels itself?

I'm quite happy to accept that many people were disappointed with the film, but much of that list is really nonsense - picking and choosing which bits of impossible technology you are going to believe in, accepting the premise that the Engineers can do impossible feats of genetic engineering and then getting upset when the fictional molecular genetics is fictional. The nerd complains too much.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

197 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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otolith said:
Raify said:
Here are 100 glaring errors in Prometheus: http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/fictional-scien...
I find that list works better if you read it out loud in a really adenoidal voice nerd

"I think you might find that the preferred unit of astronomical distance is not the kilometer!"

He's happy to swallow faster than light travel and stasis pods, but takes issue with the material used for the windows and suggests cameras and screens as used in Star Trek? Maybe Scottie popped in and spent twenty seconds keying in the formula for "transparent aluminum"?

He thinks that the fact that a 21st century human should be immediately able to understand how the space ship of a species which has been terraforming and seeding life across the universe since before humanity existed propels itself?

I'm quite happy to accept that many people were disappointed with the film, but much of that list is really nonsense - picking and choosing which bits of impossible technology you are going to believe in, accepting the premise that the Engineers can do impossible feats of genetic engineering and then getting upset when the fictional molecular genetics is fictional. The nerd complains too much.
I agree. I found the film ste, but for reasons of plot and acting and not the credibility of the sci-fi; you have to suspend your disbelief for sci-fi to work.

Pugster

428 posts

180 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Having watched the Blu ray and then the deleted scenes I personally think they cut too much out of the film. All the extra scenes add something to the film particularly with character development. The bit where David gets decapitated is just stupid and the bits they cut explain it perfectly. The commentary on why they cut certain bits out is interesting too.

But that seems to be a theme of films nowadays. Studios think they can't hold the audiences attention and maybe they are right for the vast majority of film watchers. They've only put a small selection of deleted scenes on the disc and you can bet there was a lot more cut. It's a fairly long film now at 2 hours and I guess it was possibly 2 1/2 hours at some point.

I still enjoyed it however and I suppose that's the point. They've left enough ambiguous stuff in the story to ensure a sequel and that's maybe a lot of the problem. They had to to do that to ensure they get the funding to do it.

JonRB

74,402 posts

271 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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otolith said:
accepting the premise that the Engineers can do impossible feats of genetic engineering and then getting upset when the fictional molecular genetics is fictional. The nerd complains too much.
Ohhh, so the film was set in a different universe where genetics works differently then? Okaaay. wink

We're back to Superman not snapping the wingtips off aircraft, or a lake of ice being able to be supported by its edge.

otolith said:
The nerd complains too much.
You appear to have discounted all 100 of his objections based on 1 or 2. I actually thought a lot of his points were very valid, although I agree that the ones that you highlighted were not.

Also, your pejorative use of the word "nerd" says more about you than it does about him.

Edited by JonRB on Friday 12th October 10:15

ZesPak

24,423 posts

195 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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JonRB said:
You appear to have discounted all 100 of his objections based on 1 or 2. I actually thought a lot of his points were very valid, although I agree that the ones that you highlighted were not.

Also, your pejorative use of the word "nerd" says more about you than it does about him.
Tbh, I read all of them getmecoat, and I agree that A LOT can be discounted on "chosing which fairy sci fy tech he wants to believe".