Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...

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Guvernator

13,109 posts

164 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Nope sorry, going to have to disagree. The lone Alien has been done and done very well in the first Alien and again in Alien 3 (not so successfully). There is a huge backstory\universe to be explored which unfortunately Prometheus seems to have shat on from a great height. Nevertheless I think they need to move the films forward in a meaningful way, not re-tread old ground.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 27th October 2015
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Negative Creep said:
I'd actually say the opposite is true - it needs to go back to basics. If anyone has played Alien: Isolation it went back to you surviving against a single, invincible Alien who would relentlessly hunt you. As a result it made the Xeno scary again, instead of the cannon fodder it is in other games and films of the franchise.
Although I think Prometheus gets better with repeat viewings, it does suffer from the inevitable prequel problem that by explaining something you take away a lot of the terror
That's what Alien³ did, I found that boring and repetitive, and also it had to try and play with the alien creature to make stuff new.

2hoots

57 posts

101 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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Another name change, now it's called Alien:Covenant

And Naomi Rapace has disappeared from the plot synopsis released by Fox.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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oh



joy





Guvernator

13,109 posts

164 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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2hoots said:
Another name change, now it's called Alien:Covenant

And Naomi Rapace has disappeared from the plot synopsis released by Fox.
No great loss...

OldandGrumpy

2,681 posts

240 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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One of the best science fiction authors alive today William Gibson, produced a script for an Aliens sequel where the Alien reached Earth. It was binned because it was too expensive to produce then, but just maybe with the advances in CG, it could be made now. That would be well worth seeing.

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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OldandGrumpy said:
One of the best science fiction authors alive today William Gibson, produced a script for an Aliens sequel where the Alien reached Earth. It was binned because it was too expensive to produce then, but just maybe with the advances in CG, it could be made now. That would be well worth seeing.
knowing the Hollywood studios, we'd probably get something akin to AVP2 instead of a proper adult sci-fi/horror...

OldandGrumpy

2,681 posts

240 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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Sadly true Chris. There is a huge amount to explore in the Alien universe with so many implications. What would a race of Kardashev III bioengineers need the Alien genotype for? What happened to that civilisation? What would happen if one of the Aliens reached, say New York? Would we see that from a Cloverfield like flashback or an all out Terminator style world war. So much potential. But we will probably get a hide and seek bug hunt again, which was once very scary but is now a monster cliche

Edited by OldandGrumpy on Tuesday 17th November 19:00

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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OldandGrumpy said:
One of the best science fiction authors alive today William Gibson, produced a script for an Aliens sequel where the Alien reached Earth. It was binned because it was too expensive to produce then, but just maybe with the advances in CG, it could be made now. That would be well worth seeing.
Sounds ace, and logical and is where I would have taken it.

2hoots

57 posts

101 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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I'm with Sigorney Weaver on this, the Alien franchise should never depict Earth in all of this. The story should remain one of the horrors that await mankind as it explores the universe. Returning the Aliens to Earth just makes it another creature in surroundings we're all familiar with. Alien creatures on/in Alien landscapes are where this should always be set in my opinion. That always gives the imagination the largest canvass.

Don

28,377 posts

283 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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OldandGrumpy said:
One of the best science fiction authors alive today William Gibson, produced a script for an Aliens sequel where the Alien reached Earth. It was binned because it was too expensive to produce then, but just maybe with the advances in CG, it could be made now. That would be well worth seeing.
I read the script. It was excellent. Prometheus used a lot of the concepts in it.

There were other scripts too for Alien 3. Some good, some awful. The film that was finally made was such a shame. It featured a decent cast but the direction/production/editing by committee resulted in something less good than it should have been.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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2hoots said:
I'm with Sigorney Weaver on this, the Alien franchise should never depict Earth in all of this.
That is what she said?

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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I really enjoyed Prometheus, bit surprised to see Im the only one really.

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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Thunderhead said:
I really enjoyed Prometheus, bit surprised to see Im the only one really.
I too really enjoyed it, but only the visuals. The plot/script was laughable, even Roger Corman would have winced.

Rick_1138

3,656 posts

177 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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chris watton said:
Thunderhead said:
I really enjoyed Prometheus, bit surprised to see Im the only one really.
I too really enjoyed it, but only the visuals. The plot/script was laughable, even Roger Corman would have winced.
As a piece of cinema its fine, but the plot\story is awful.

Look for the prometheus script done by i think J Strakynski (babylon 5 fame), its basically the same plot, but its basically an alien premise, and makes so much more sense, i.e. why the geography boy gets lost, and why the fktard bio engineer is all 'hey girl' do the danger noodle space snake! god it annoys me now that scene

2hoots

57 posts

101 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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Halb said:
2hoots said:
I'm with Sigorney Weaver on this, the Alien franchise should never depict Earth in all of this.
That is what she said?
Yep, when asked about her thoughts on AVP1 she mentioned, as an aside, that she'd once told Ridley that she didn't think Earth should ever be a part of any follow up to the Alien series and that she wouldn't be interested in a storyline set here.

Its mentioned briefly here in the section entitled Proposals For A Fifth Film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(franchise)

"Joss Whedon had written an Earth-set script for Alien 5, but Sigourney Weaver was not interested in this setting, and sought to return the story to the planetoid from the first film."

Bullett

10,873 posts

183 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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Rick_1138 said:
As a piece of cinema its fine, but the plot\story is awful.

Look for the prometheus script done by i think J Strakynski (babylon 5 fame), its basically the same plot, but its basically an alien premise, and makes so much more sense, i.e. why the geography boy gets lost, and why the fktard bio engineer is all 'hey girl' do the danger noodle space snake! god it annoys me now that scene
I read a piece the other day that summed it up for me.

In Alien you had a bunch of truck drivers following their protocols properly, and in Aliens you had a bunch of mostly-professional-and-competent (sorry Gorman) marines who executed a solid game plan very well. Both groups were subverted by W.Y. and the aliens, but "People acting like utter fking morons" wasn't a problem for those movies like it was in Prometheus.

Source - http://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2015/11/prom...


Patrick Bateman

12,143 posts

173 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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I still loved Prometheus despite the flaws.

ajprice

27,321 posts

195 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Three sequels to Prometheus now, Alien: Covenent is the first in 2017, all leading up to the 1979 Alien in the storyline. http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien-covenant/380...

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Thunderhead said:
I really enjoyed Prometheus, bit surprised to see Im the only one really.
I enjoyed it too but I'm not really a massive fan of the Alien series so didn't feel, like obviously some fans did, that I'd been betrayed. I just looked at it as a film in its own right. I thought the opening sequence was great and will be interested to see if they do a sequel