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How have some of them got a place at RMAS!!!?? Esp the guy who admitted to being "wet" and a "pansie"....granted he went but how did he get through briefing and main board??!!
I only speak from going through the above process but i cant get how such people can get as far as being given a place at Sandhurst?
I only speak from going through the above process but i cant get how such people can get as far as being given a place at Sandhurst?
Elroy Blue said:
I disagree. He made a very brave decision.
I'm with you. He seemed a very switched on guy, i bet he thought long and hard before he started but the human condition is a funny thing. As he said, better to discover his true feelings now rather than out in theater.I was more angry with the self confessed wetty who wanted out in the first week because he didn't like the "regimented" nature of the Army.
Celt said:
That was ridiculous. Cannot believe the money wasted on training, pay and accommodation for him to claim to have a moral compass all of a sudden. An ounce of forward planning would of avoided that.
How many potential cadets really think about the implications of what they may be asked to do (whether dying/killing or ordering someone else to die/kill) before they get to Sandhurst?Once they're there they will have access to people and information that is maybe not in the public domain or even if it is public, almost certainly lacks the impact that the Sandhurst environment creates. Combine that with full-on rifle and bayonet training that puts the theory into practice.
It's one thing to think you're sure you'll cope before you go to Sandhurst. It's quite another to actually be sure when forced into the situation for real - whether at Sandhurst or in theatre.
Only if you live in the simple world.
I was at Dartmouth. In our first week, we were all sat in the main hall and were asked (by Cdr Rick Jolly-the Falklands war surgeon) why we joined. Many stood up and said for a career. He shot them down and said you joined up to die.
It put a very different perspective on things. For people who have never held a weapon, never used a bayonet, never really understood what commanding pople means, training can be a real shock to the system.
He thought he could hack it. The realisation came upon him during training that he couldn't. The easy option would have been continue, stay as one of the boys and pass out. Then he puts himself and the men he leads at risk in combat.
He manned up and said this isn't for me. He deserves a lot of credit in my eyes.
I was at Dartmouth. In our first week, we were all sat in the main hall and were asked (by Cdr Rick Jolly-the Falklands war surgeon) why we joined. Many stood up and said for a career. He shot them down and said you joined up to die.
It put a very different perspective on things. For people who have never held a weapon, never used a bayonet, never really understood what commanding pople means, training can be a real shock to the system.
He thought he could hack it. The realisation came upon him during training that he couldn't. The easy option would have been continue, stay as one of the boys and pass out. Then he puts himself and the men he leads at risk in combat.
He manned up and said this isn't for me. He deserves a lot of credit in my eyes.
It was brave to go to his comanding officer and say that, especially on TV.
It just seems of all the people there you would have thought he would have probably had to think about the most being the son of a Vicar ( I think it was ) and for probably longer. He did pick probably the most extreme job away from his upbringing.
The other thing I found odd was that he said he wouldn't be happy if he had his balls blown of by an IED in Afghanistan, reasoning that perhaps the British Army shouldn't be there, almost like he had the view he would only ever be fighting a defence of the UK.
It just seems of all the people there you would have thought he would have probably had to think about the most being the son of a Vicar ( I think it was ) and for probably longer. He did pick probably the most extreme job away from his upbringing.
The other thing I found odd was that he said he wouldn't be happy if he had his balls blown of by an IED in Afghanistan, reasoning that perhaps the British Army shouldn't be there, almost like he had the view he would only ever be fighting a defence of the UK.
aspender said:
On a different topic, what's with the choice of duvet covers? Blokes with Little Miss Sunshine and Dora the Explorer? Are they out of choice, a traditional joke, something peculiar to this group or used as a punishment?
It's a bit of a traditional joke. Once you're allowed non issue duvet covers people go and get the gayest or girly-ish things they can find. ninja-lewis said:
Asterix said:
If you want to watch something that's a bit more informative watch this - The BBC show from the 80's, The Paras - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT61kdo_gww
Even this was slated at the time for not showing the real 'encouragement' etc.. provided by the Directing Staff. They were known as the Hollywood Platoon.
You can actually watch The Paras and various other old documentaries on the BBC site now - all uploaded as part of the Army: A Very British Institution season that they've got going on at the moment.Even this was slated at the time for not showing the real 'encouragement' etc.. provided by the Directing Staff. They were known as the Hollywood Platoon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collections/p00hl622/...
As for this Sandhurst program, and current coverage in general, it's really making me realise I made a big mistake limiting myself to the RAF (no jokes!), and then not thinking about the army when my eyesight put me out of aircrew selection. I look at the programs, and then at my life in general (and those of people around me), and see where the real difference is made, and where you truly find out who you are. It would mean giving up everything I have now, but I would get something completely different, which could replace it all.
Shame I'm a fat 29yr old engineer.
Good programs, looking forward to the rest.
difontaine42 said:
aspender said:
On a different topic, what's with the choice of duvet covers? Blokes with Little Miss Sunshine and Dora the Explorer? Are they out of choice, a traditional joke, something peculiar to this group or used as a punishment?
It's a bit of a traditional joke. Once you're allowed non issue duvet covers people go and get the gayest or girly-ish things they can find. williamp said:
difontaine42 said:
aspender said:
On a different topic, what's with the choice of duvet covers? Blokes with Little Miss Sunshine and Dora the Explorer? Are they out of choice, a traditional joke, something peculiar to this group or used as a punishment?
It's a bit of a traditional joke. Once you're allowed non issue duvet covers people go and get the gayest or girly-ish things they can find. ninja-lewis said:
How many potential cadets really think about the implications of what they may be asked to do (whether dying/killing or ordering someone else to die/kill) before they get to Sandhurst?
Once they're there they will have access to people and information that is maybe not in the public domain or even if it is public, almost certainly lacks the impact that the Sandhurst environment creates. Combine that with full-on rifle and bayonet training that puts the theory into practice.
It's one thing to think you're sure you'll cope before you go to Sandhurst. It's quite another to actually be sure when forced into the situation for real - whether at Sandhurst or in theatre.
I think the morality of killing should be wrestled with long before turning up at sandhurst. Especially if you have an illusion in your head of becoming an officer. Officers are purported to be more intellectual and responsible. I think this show let's people see, at the beginning atleast, there is a piss thin wall between them and the boys that trust there lifes to them. Once they're there they will have access to people and information that is maybe not in the public domain or even if it is public, almost certainly lacks the impact that the Sandhurst environment creates. Combine that with full-on rifle and bayonet training that puts the theory into practice.
It's one thing to think you're sure you'll cope before you go to Sandhurst. It's quite another to actually be sure when forced into the situation for real - whether at Sandhurst or in theatre.
Celt said:
ninja-lewis said:
How many potential cadets really think about the implications of what they may be asked to do (whether dying/killing or ordering someone else to die/kill) before they get to Sandhurst?
Once they're there they will have access to people and information that is maybe not in the public domain or even if it is public, almost certainly lacks the impact that the Sandhurst environment creates. Combine that with full-on rifle and bayonet training that puts the theory into practice.
It's one thing to think you're sure you'll cope before you go to Sandhurst. It's quite another to actually be sure when forced into the situation for real - whether at Sandhurst or in theatre.
I think the morality of killing should be wrestled with long before turning up at sandhurst. Especially if you have an illusion in your head of becoming an officer. Officers are purported to be more intellectual and responsible. I think this show let's people see, at the beginning atleast, there is a piss thin wall between them and the boys that trust there lifes to them. Once they're there they will have access to people and information that is maybe not in the public domain or even if it is public, almost certainly lacks the impact that the Sandhurst environment creates. Combine that with full-on rifle and bayonet training that puts the theory into practice.
It's one thing to think you're sure you'll cope before you go to Sandhurst. It's quite another to actually be sure when forced into the situation for real - whether at Sandhurst or in theatre.
Probably the same reason the Navy never has a problem with recruiting.
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