Nevermind the Buzzcocks
Discussion
hairykrishna said:
jet_noise said:
I thought Deayton was easily sharp enough to work with his "disgrace" in the same way as Carr. It was the BBC who lacked the stones/skill to embrace. There is no need at all in a comic-quiz for there to be any moral-high-ground grandstanding. A good retort is a good retort regardless of who makes it (and to whom).
My feeling from various documentary and interview stuff was that it caused a falling out with Paul Merton and Ian Hislop and that was a good part of him going.HIGNFY has always been about calling out and satirising poor/hypocritical behaviour by those in power (be that in politics or celebrities more generally) and when those presenting the show become the story and the subject of the jokes, I think it risks losing its credibility.
hairykrishna said:
jet_noise said:
I thought Deayton was easily sharp enough to work with his "disgrace" in the same way as Carr. It was the BBC who lacked the stones/skill to embrace. There is no need at all in a comic-quiz for there to be any moral-high-ground grandstanding. A good retort is a good retort regardless of who makes it (and to whom).
My feeling from various documentary and interview stuff was that it caused a falling out with Paul Merton and Ian Hislop and that was a good part of him going.lauda said:
I'd heard the same thing too. I think the problem for HIGNFY compared to the Jimmy Carr situation is that when you're a stand-up, the show is about you and therefore you can tackle bad publicity head on and it doesn't need to distract from the core purpose of what you're doing, which is just to get a laugh.
HIGNFY has always been about calling out and satirising poor/hypocritical behaviour by those in power (be that in politics or celebrities more generally) and when those presenting the show become the story and the subject of the jokes, I think it risks losing its credibility.
Indeed. HIGNFY has always been about calling out and satirising poor/hypocritical behaviour by those in power (be that in politics or celebrities more generally) and when those presenting the show become the story and the subject of the jokes, I think it risks losing its credibility.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Mezzanine said:
And yet Jimmy Carr managed to defend, embrace and ultimately make material of becoming front page news and the Prime Minister calling for his resignation in the HoP.
Perhaps. But Jimmy Carr wasn't the host of a satirical political news show. Anyway, don't shoot the messenger; I was just relating what that documentary said.
It's worth watching if you are a fan of the show. A quick google doesn't show it as being available though. Not on iPlayer anyway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000qq61
I did actually watch that documentary when it came out, it was good. I still thought it was disappointing that they ultimately gave in to the press when that programme, out of any, could/should have ridden it out as it ultimately never really recovered (in my eyes).
Angus Deayton lost out because it was sex and drugs stuff, with Jimmy Carr it was a tax scheme that a lot of people got involved with too. If Angus Deayton did the tax dodge, he'd probably still be presenting HIGNFY after a few money jokes about him every so often (as it is now with Carr on cats countdown etc), if Jimmy Carr had been involved with anything like what brought Deayton down, it's a lot harder to get out of, he probably wouldn't be doing anything like the amount of TV and stand up work he does now.
hairykrishna said:
jet_noise said:
I thought Deayton was easily sharp enough to work with his "disgrace" in the same way as Carr. It was the BBC who lacked the stones/skill to embrace. There is no need at all in a comic-quiz for there to be any moral-high-ground grandstanding. A good retort is a good retort regardless of who makes it (and to whom).
My feeling from various documentary and interview stuff was that it caused a falling out with Paul Merton and Ian Hislop and that was a good part of him going.Nonetheless if two out of three say, in effect, "he goes or we do" it's easier to go with the majority rather than manage the clashes.
Re Merton, if anyone has watched him on the motorhome tour with Mrs M let's say he doesn't come across well, at all. He could be playing a persona, you never know, with these TV luvvies, but I'm not going to repeat all of Mrs F's observations who, in short, thought he seemed a bit of a useless wet moaning sarcastic bell end who excessively put upon his Mrs to do all the domestic stuff. It could all be an act. If so it's a good one.
but I enjoyed the return of Buzzcocks.The second episode was a bit more annoying for me, I cant stand that, look at me "goth" some eye shadow and a padlock does not a goth make. (just looked at his music, meh! obviously I'm not the target audience)
Also thought Daisy May Cooper was overdoing the hysterical laughter? I remember she did like a guffaw from Taskmaster, but last night I thought was a bit forced?
Also thought Daisy May Cooper was overdoing the hysterical laughter? I remember she did like a guffaw from Taskmaster, but last night I thought was a bit forced?
I enjoyed the first one last week, but then forgot it was on again yesterday. Downloading now to watch tonight.
For me the main thing that was missing compared to the originals was the sight of Phil Jupitus looming over an unsuspecting guest during the intros round. That's obviously not possible to recreate now, as looming from a socially acceptable distance doesn't have the same effect.
For me the main thing that was missing compared to the originals was the sight of Phil Jupitus looming over an unsuspecting guest during the intros round. That's obviously not possible to recreate now, as looming from a socially acceptable distance doesn't have the same effect.
Mcphisto said:
The second episode was a bit more annoying for me, I cant stand that, look at me "goth" some eye shadow and a padlock does not a goth make. (just looked at his music, meh! obviously I'm not the target audience)
Also thought Daisy May Cooper was overdoing the hysterical laughter? I remember she did like a guffaw from Taskmaster, but last night I thought was a bit forced?
Quite enjoyed the first two. Perhaps not as good as the old versions at their best.Also thought Daisy May Cooper was overdoing the hysterical laughter? I remember she did like a guffaw from Taskmaster, but last night I thought was a bit forced?
Daisy may cooper is over doing it a bit too much. Like she is having some sort of break down.
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