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marcosgt

11,011 posts

175 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Halb said:
Saul didn't want her to have that treatment. I think he said no as not to give her false hope and wait to see if she was strong enough to stop it, he could have said yes to help her more.

Watched it all now. What an ace ending, loved it. Was rather fitting and much better than I was expecting. Glad that Brody sorted out his partner at the end.biggrin
I bet you love Jason Statham movies too?

I was disappointed. It was a cop out and you could see a cop out coming weeks ago (especially when I read there was a second series planned). Until the last couple of weeks it was shaping up for a genuinely challenging US TV series, but I guess the networks love a winner and you can't have a US Marine hero (the other guy was OK as we'd seen he was a nasty cold blooded killer) portrayed as a 'baddie' can you...?

It might have worked if we'd found out that he was a deep, deep, deep cover double agent under Saul's control all along, but the 'I love you daddy' was pure schmaltzy US TV melodrama

Not sure I'll bother with series 2 - Fortunately, series 2 of Braquo is shaping up nicely.

M.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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marcosgt said:
I bet you love Jason Statham movies too?
confused No, I cannot stand them, a rather ignorant leap of deduction.

I do love Braquo very much though.

m444ttb

3,160 posts

228 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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I didn't mind the ending, but it wasn't as good as the rest of the episode. I was kinda hoping he'd do it!

Six Fiend

6,067 posts

214 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Also felt the "I love you daddy" bit was a tad crap.

As with so many things these days it just needs one series with a decent end. Go out with a bang and a jolt!

Hackney

6,811 posts

207 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Disappointed after some of the stuff I read about the last episode.

Carrie back story, Brody's daughter turning out to be clever etc
But no. Was there another episode that I didn't see?

So still stuff left unanswered...

What's Saul's deal? (the interrupted polygraph for example)
Who passed the blade to Brody's guard so he could kill himself?
Who's the mole?


I think they decided a lot earlier to go for a second series. Either that or they forgot some stuff.

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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It does raise some questions.


Is Brody supposed to be our 'hero' or is he a terrorist? He killed his former friend in cold blood. Just like that, no questions asked. This was after he's previously showed us he's racked with guilt and remorse for the first time he 'killed' him! He was also quite willing to go through with blowing everyone up, so he must be the bad guy, right? But wait, he had a change of heart after speaking with his daughter. So now what, he's a good guy? But he said he's going to influence policy from the inside? So he's still a bad guy then? Or was that bullst and instead he going to go after Nazir? Why would he do that? What's his motive?


I really don't see where they're going with the story. I predict season 2 will spend most of the time with Carrie trying to remember... something vague... right up to around the last episode when she finally remembers.

What irritates me is it basically took about 12 episodes to establish that Brody actually was a terrorist willing to blow himself up. They weren't even clever about it, they just plain outright lied to the viewer. There were numerous occasions when Brody had conversations in earlier episodes that we as viewers weren't shown that would clearly have established his intentions, meanwhile we're shown everything from Carries perspective trying to prove he is a terrorist.

Eg;

Here's a scene of Brody doing something insignificant to the story

Now here's a scene of Brody taking a mysterious phone call... but we're not going to show you what the conversation is about.. PSYCHE!

mrmarcus

649 posts

178 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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What was the house near the airport sub plot was all about and what happened to the woman taken back from Mexico and those terrorists chasing her and the lecturer boyfriend, who shot him.

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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mrmarcus said:
What was the house near the airport sub plot was all about and what happened to the woman taken back from Mexico and those terrorists chasing her and the lecturer boyfriend, who shot him.
Exactly. If the end game was for Brody to take out a boat load of VIPs including the Vice President then why the pretense they were going to have Walker kill the VP with a rifle from that particular house?

ETA: If Brody was always intending to kill himself then why give Mike a hard time? He should be happy there'll be someone to take care of his wife and kids once he's martyr'd himself and ruined their lives.

Edited by Oakey on Monday 7th May 20:13

oldmanbm

390 posts

204 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Walker was always expendable -look at how he was finished off. His job and he succeeded was to get Brody through the security system by creating mayhem outside and rushing everyone through. This was what the story heroine Carrie thought anyway and I agree.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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I like it because it's not so clear cut as good guy/bad guy silliness. It's more murky and shades of grey like real life political situations.
If you want one dimensional heroes and villains there are plenty of other things out there to suit.

Bullett

10,873 posts

183 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Which makes no sense.

Brody didn't know (or claimed not to know) Tom was alive so how was he actually supposed to be working as a team with him? So either he did know and they(writers) decided to make it 'secret' or he didn't. And in which case how was he going to get past security? And how did his daughter contact him? not his own mobile but on a secret service guys one, did she google "vp secret bunker" phone number? Another question, when the woman got shot would the not bullet have passed through and on into the VP?

On the same Tom issue, he claims not to know he's alive but finds him in about 30's when he needs the memory card back - how did he know walker was the contact, was he, could have been anyone else.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Bullett said:
Which makes no sense.

Brody didn't know (or claimed not to know) Tom was alive so how was he actually supposed to be working as a team with him? So either he did know and they(writers) decided to make it 'secret' or he didn't. And in which case how was he going to get past security? And how did his daughter contact him? not his own mobile but on a secret service guys one, did she google "vp secret bunker" phone number? Another question, when the woman got shot would the not bullet have passed through and on into the VP?

On the same Tom issue, he claims not to know he's alive but finds him in about 30's when he needs the memory card back - how did he know walker was the contact, was he, could have been anyone else.
He obviously knew he had a partner, and didn't know it was his old partner.
I did think that the mobile wouldn't work in the underground roombiggrin

Grant76

1,381 posts

204 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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And how did his daughter contact him? not his own mobile but on a secret service guys one, did she google "vp secret bunker" phone number?

Carrie dialled the number on her phone & passed it to the daughter telling her "this will get you through to the Secret Service"

marcosgt

11,011 posts

175 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Halb said:
marcosgt said:
I bet you love Jason Statham movies too?
confused No, I cannot stand them, a rather ignorant leap of deduction.

I do love Braquo very much though.
My, how people love to call names on PH...

I just meant that scene seemed out of character and rather vengeance based, almost as if to elicit that kind of response.

Glad you enjoy Braquo . Quality stuff.

M

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Halb said:
I like it because it's not so clear cut as good guy/bad guy silliness. It's more murky and shades of grey like real life political situations.
If you want one dimensional heroes and villains there are plenty of other things out there to suit.
How is it 'one dimensional' to establish a characters intentions earlier than the final episode? They didn't wait until the last episode to establish Carrie had mental health issues, did they?

Bearing in mind that we saw every facet of every other characters life, to not show the parts where Brody is obviously planning to do something is just weak story telling.

Edited by Oakey on Monday 7th May 22:02

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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marcosgt said:
My, how people love to call names on PH...
I just meant that scene seemed out of character and rather vengeance based, almost as if to elicit that kind of response.
Glad you enjoy Braquo . Quality stuff.
M
My, more accurate is how some like to project and assume on PH. I have not called you a name but stated a fact, you very mistakenly assumed something about me because I guess you see JS films in a certain light. Well so do I and it ticked me off! So don't assume in future.
And I didn't like it because I don't like one dimensional stuff like JS does...save for the 80s classic when people like AhNold did them. He had charisma.biggrin

Yes it is, imo the second best show of last year and most likely this year as well.

Edited by Halb on Monday 7th May 22:54

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Oakey said:
How is it 'one dimensional' to establish a characters intentions earlier than the final episode? They didn't wait until the last episode to establish Carrie had mental health issues, did they?
Bearing in mind that we saw every facet of every other characters life, to not show the parts where Brody is obviously planning to do something is just weak story telling.
Edited by Oakey on Monday 7th May 22:02
They established the intentions of Brody before the final episode, and we knew Carrie needed pills for her condition before the final episode. So it is not one dimensional for both these things. Not sure what you are saying?


Anyone catch the clever Jag advert change just for Homeland?

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Okay, so in the episode before the finale they showed him with the vest but until then we didn't know anything other than him running for congress.

We seemed to go from Brody agreeing to run for congress to agreeing to be a suicide bomber and then going to pick up the bomb vest.

It seemed whilst they were happy to show us trivial parts of Brody's life, like getting the huff his mate had been banging his wife (for about 6 episodes no less), they just decided to omit the parts where he was plotting to blow himself up.

Bear in mind that prior to all this, Brody was given the option by the terrorists to run for congress so their plan seemed to hinge on him agreeing to that or not.

It'd have made more sense if running for congress had been the plan all along and the bomb not going off was a test to see if he was actually committed to the cause.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Oakey said:
Okay, so in the episode before the finale they showed him with the vest but until then we didn't know anything other than him running for congress.
We seemed to go from Brody agreeing to run for congress to agreeing to be a suicide bomber and then going to pick up the bomb vest.
It seemed whilst they were happy to show us trivial parts of Brody's life, like getting the huff his mate had been banging his wife (for about 6 episodes no less), they just decided to omit the parts where he was plotting to blow himself up.
Bear in mind that prior to all this, Brody was given the option by the terrorists to run for congress so their plan seemed to hinge on him agreeing to that or not.
If they showed us the bits that reveal he was a terrorist it wouldn't be a 'is he/isn't he' type programme then, which it is. It would just be a regular run of the mill programme. Like a whodunnit revealing the killer at the beginning.
The stages at which they revealed things was clever because it flipflopped the character convincingly.
I cannot recall though that the congress thing was a late change. The VP was the real target, so I suppose they could have gone for a blowup type thing sooner if the congress thing hadn't come about.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 8th May 2012
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I too felt a bit let down by the series. Just a real lackluster ending....

ETA - Also one thing I really don't understand...

Walker uses his sniper rifle to cause mayhem, and get everyone (inc Brodie) rushed through security. He does this by shooting the woman who is stood directly infont of the VP. The bullet kills the woman, and presumably exits, as the VP gets covered in a large volume of blood erupting from her chest. Yet the VP is unharmed. How?



Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th May 20:15