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Prawo Jazdy

4,325 posts

99 months

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What did she ask Saul near the end of the episode? When he went to see her before the electric shock treatment started, she said something like "Do you think there's any chance ...[something]... terminated?", to which he bluntly replied "No". I cleared my throat or something at the wrong time and didn't hear what was said.

dxg

3,412 posts

145 months

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She asked if she could appeal her termination. I think Saul's 'no' answer was confirmation that her only future laid in the shock treatment. And, hell, what a last line she got... Who would believe her, now, as a civilian with severe mental health issues, even if she could remember afterwards?

Bullett

5,082 posts

69 months

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Disappointing ending.
So many massive plot holes and inconsistancies throughout the whole thing it annoyed me but for some reason I kept watching.

MiniMan64

9,170 posts

75 months

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Bullett said:
Disappointing ending.
So many massive plot holes and inconsistancies throughout the whole thing it annoyed me but for some reason I kept watching.
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papercup

2,248 posts

104 months

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What I wrote on Page 2, now repeated for those who've watched it on the UK networks:

papercup said:
smartypants said:
It's pretty good, but my advice would be to not bother with it. The ending is very unsatisfying, if not down right infuriating.
+1

I hate myself for sitting through all ONE MILLION HOURS of this and getting that as an ending.....

WARNING: this is a proper spoiler, so don't click unless you've seen the whole thing.

Did they plan to end it like that? Did they actually write the entire series leading up to him blowing up himself and the EXACT TARGET he wanted all along, the VP, and then decide not to do it? Or did they, as I suspect, realise they were getting good viewing figures, realise they could sell some more advertising to the networks if it went on longer, and decide to simply not finish it properly, knowing they'd get at least one more series out of it? I think the latter.

There's nowhere for it to go now. We've had the denouement, the thing it worked towards all series. It just didn't happen. So what happens in the next series? She gets out the looney bin and starts again, as a lone wolf, not in the CIA any more? He starts again, planning the next thing he won't follow through on? Its daft; the first series sowed everything up. We KNOW she was right, we KNOW he's a terrrrrrst. Whats next? Bunch of arse. Welcome to Lost with spies and home-grown terror plots.

I hate getting played like this. Whats wrong with making a story with a beginning, a middle and an end? Anyone see American Horror Story? Great single series. Didn't overstay its welcome, didn't introduce ridiculous plot devices to lengthen things, didn't end frustratingly so you'd watch the steadily declining later seasons. It was a well told story, and ended by wrapping everything up. Instead Homeland will get a 2nd series and die either during or after it, because there is nowhere for it to go.

But everyone will have seen some more adverts.
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Halb

23,254 posts

68 months

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dxg said:
She asked if she could appeal her termination. I think Saul's 'no' answer was confirmation that her only future laid in the shock treatment. And, hell, what a last line she got... Who would believe her, now, as a civilian with severe mental health issues, even if she could remember afterwards?
Saul didn't want her to have that treatment. I think he said no as not to give her false hope and wait to see if she was strong enough to stop it, he could have said yes to help her more.

Watched it all now. What an ace ending, loved it. Was rather fitting and much better than I was expecting. Glad that Brody sorted out his partner at the end.biggrin

Halb

23,254 posts

68 months

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I notice in the credits it is based on an Israeli show called Prisoners of War.

Prisoners of War starts on Sky Arts 1 this Thursday at 9.30.
I had already sky plussed it.smile

Prawo Jazdy

4,325 posts

99 months

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dxg said:
She asked if she could appeal her termination. I think Saul's 'no' answer was confirmation that her only future laid in the shock treatment. And, hell, what a last line she got... Who would believe her, now, as a civilian with severe mental health issues, even if she could remember afterwards?
Thanks smile

marcosgt

7,482 posts

61 months

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Halb said:
Saul didn't want her to have that treatment. I think he said no as not to give her false hope and wait to see if she was strong enough to stop it, he could have said yes to help her more.

Watched it all now. What an ace ending, loved it. Was rather fitting and much better than I was expecting. Glad that Brody sorted out his partner at the end.biggrin
I bet you love Jason Statham movies too?

I was disappointed. It was a cop out and you could see a cop out coming weeks ago (especially when I read there was a second series planned). Until the last couple of weeks it was shaping up for a genuinely challenging US TV series, but I guess the networks love a winner and you can't have a US Marine hero (the other guy was OK as we'd seen he was a nasty cold blooded killer) portrayed as a 'baddie' can you...?

It might have worked if we'd found out that he was a deep, deep, deep cover double agent under Saul's control all along, but the 'I love you daddy' was pure schmaltzy US TV melodrama

Not sure I'll bother with series 2 - Fortunately, series 2 of Braquo is shaping up nicely.

M.

Halb

23,254 posts

68 months

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marcosgt said:
I bet you love Jason Statham movies too?
confused No, I cannot stand them, a rather ignorant leap of deduction.

I do love Braquo very much though.

m444ttb

1,731 posts

114 months

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I didn't mind the ending, but it wasn't as good as the rest of the episode. I was kinda hoping he'd do it!

Six Fiend

5,554 posts

100 months

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Also felt the "I love you daddy" bit was a tad crap.

As with so many things these days it just needs one series with a decent end. Go out with a bang and a jolt!

Hackney

3,001 posts

93 months

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Disappointed after some of the stuff I read about the last episode.

Carrie back story, Brody's daughter turning out to be clever etc
But no. Was there another episode that I didn't see?

So still stuff left unanswered...

What's Saul's deal? (the interrupted polygraph for example)
Who passed the blade to Brody's guard so he could kill himself?
Who's the mole?


I think they decided a lot earlier to go for a second series. Either that or they forgot some stuff.

Oakey

16,336 posts

101 months

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It does raise some questions.


Is Brody supposed to be our 'hero' or is he a terrorist? He killed his former friend in cold blood. Just like that, no questions asked. This was after he's previously showed us he's racked with guilt and remorse for the first time he 'killed' him! He was also quite willing to go through with blowing everyone up, so he must be the bad guy, right? But wait, he had a change of heart after speaking with his daughter. So now what, he's a good guy? But he said he's going to influence policy from the inside? So he's still a bad guy then? Or was that bullst and instead he going to go after Nazir? Why would he do that? What's his motive?


I really don't see where they're going with the story. I predict season 2 will spend most of the time with Carrie trying to remember... something vague... right up to around the last episode when she finally remembers.

What irritates me is it basically took about 12 episodes to establish that Brody actually was a terrorist willing to blow himself up. They weren't even clever about it, they just plain outright lied to the viewer. There were numerous occasions when Brody had conversations in earlier episodes that we as viewers weren't shown that would clearly have established his intentions, meanwhile we're shown everything from Carries perspective trying to prove he is a terrorist.

Eg;

Here's a scene of Brody doing something insignificant to the story

Now here's a scene of Brody taking a mysterious phone call... but we're not going to show you what the conversation is about.. PSYCHE!

mrmarcus

587 posts

64 months

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What was the house near the airport sub plot was all about and what happened to the woman taken back from Mexico and those terrorists chasing her and the lecturer boyfriend, who shot him.

smartypants

21,731 posts

54 months

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As I said originally, it was a good series that rolled along nicely until you got to the end, and realised what a complete load of nonsense it was with one of the worst endings I've seen in any film or TV series.


Oakey

16,336 posts

101 months

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mrmarcus said:
What was the house near the airport sub plot was all about and what happened to the woman taken back from Mexico and those terrorists chasing her and the lecturer boyfriend, who shot him.
Exactly. If the end game was for Brody to take out a boat load of VIPs including the Vice President then why the pretense they were going to have Walker kill the VP with a rifle from that particular house?

ETA: If Brody was always intending to kill himself then why give Mike a hard time? He should be happy there'll be someone to take care of his wife and kids once he's martyr'd himself and ruined their lives.

Edited by Oakey on Monday 7th May 20:13

oldmanbm

169 posts

90 months

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Walker was always expendable -look at how he was finished off. His job and he succeeded was to get Brody through the security system by creating mayhem outside and rushing everyone through. This was what the story heroine Carrie thought anyway and I agree.

Halb

23,254 posts

68 months

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I like it because it's not so clear cut as good guy/bad guy silliness. It's more murky and shades of grey like real life political situations.
If you want one dimensional heroes and villains there are plenty of other things out there to suit.

Bullett

5,082 posts

69 months

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Which makes no sense.

Brody didn't know (or claimed not to know) Tom was alive so how was he actually supposed to be working as a team with him? So either he did know and they(writers) decided to make it 'secret' or he didn't. And in which case how was he going to get past security? And how did his daughter contact him? not his own mobile but on a secret service guys one, did she google "vp secret bunker" phone number? Another question, when the woman got shot would the not bullet have passed through and on into the VP?

On the same Tom issue, he claims not to know he's alive but finds him in about 30's when he needs the memory card back - how did he know walker was the contact, was he, could have been anyone else.

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