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Howard- said:
Oakey said:
One minor niggle (last episode)
the bits inside the UN really boiled my piss and didn't really make sense. You have a gun, why are you running?
Because it's not 24 and there's no Jack Bauer fending off 50 gun-toting bad guys with a screwdriver, it was half a dozen armed Russians versus them the bits inside the UN really boiled my piss and didn't really make sense. You have a gun, why are you running?
unident said:
Howard- said:
Oakey said:
One minor niggle (last episode)
the bits inside the UN really boiled my piss and didn't really make sense. You have a gun, why are you running?
Because it's not 24 and there's no Jack Bauer fending off 50 gun-toting bad guys with a screwdriver, it was half a dozen armed Russians versus them the bits inside the UN really boiled my piss and didn't really make sense. You have a gun, why are you running?
They're in the UN building in the middle of NYC on American soil surrounded by loads of civilians and god knows how much security. What were the Russians planning to do exactly? Manhandle her in front of everybody? Have a stand off with an armed American government official? What was their plan after that? I'm pretty sure the American bloke could have had that place locked down in short order and prevented them from leaving with her.
Oakey said:
That's my point
They're in the UN building in the middle of NYC on American soil surrounded by loads of civilians and god knows how much security. What were the Russians planning to do exactly? Manhandle her in front of everybody? Have a stand off with an armed American government official? What was their plan after that? I'm pretty sure the American bloke could have had that place locked down in short order and prevented them from leaving with her.
I’m not sure of the ins and outs of the international laws of the U.N. building, but it is sort of treated as neutral ground for a lot of the stuff that happens there, with diplomatic immunity being a key part for a lot of the personnel. However, a lot of the immunities are waived and is subject to US law for crimes. I’m pretty certain the Russians could manhandle one of their citizens out of the building and to a plane in a diplomatic vehicle with the only comeback being a strongly worded letter expressing dismay at their actions. It is extremely unlikely that a US agent would pull a gun, especially one who is CIA and therefore unlikely to be allowed to operate on US soil. Locking down the U.N. would bring a world of pain onto the US as a whole. It’s international diplomacy and the whole concept of the show in recent series has been about that. Im pretty certain that individuals are “sacrificed” for the greater good on a regular basis. They let Brody die without much objection in Series 3.They're in the UN building in the middle of NYC on American soil surrounded by loads of civilians and god knows how much security. What were the Russians planning to do exactly? Manhandle her in front of everybody? Have a stand off with an armed American government official? What was their plan after that? I'm pretty sure the American bloke could have had that place locked down in short order and prevented them from leaving with her.
I’m not sure your niggle is anymore than an expectation of Hollywood style shoot outs that really aren’t the way that Homeland has ever been played out (excluding the farcical one at the end of the previous season). It’s always been about calming the situation and letting it fizzle out. T
Oakey said:
That's my point
I'm pretty sure the American bloke could have had that place locked down in short order and prevented them from leaving with her.
I interpreted it as that, of course they could have, but would Mirov have been so forthcoming in handing over the flight recorder if she'd escaped without retribution? The whole subtext was the "cost of doing business", in this case she was sacrificed to prevent any further escalations, and potentially a nuclear incident with Pakistan. Saul knew that.I'm pretty sure the American bloke could have had that place locked down in short order and prevented them from leaving with her.
Fabric said:
I interpreted it as that, of course they could have, but would Mirov have been so forthcoming in handing over the flight recorder if she'd escaped without retribution? The whole subtext was the "cost of doing business", in this case she was sacrificed to prevent any further escalations, and potentially a nuclear incident with Pakistan. Saul knew that.
I think we should stop this discussion now until after Sunday when others can join inthat was the whole point. She wasn’t being handed over and the black box wasn’t being handed over until Carrie intervened. I’d she hadn’t then another route would’ve been needed
JamieBeeston said:
One interesting Tidbit,
Zabel was born in Stoke on Trent, and has been married to "Carrie"/Danes for 12 years!
Whoda thunkit!
Lucky lad!
He was Will Graham in Hannibal TV series a few years agoZabel was born in Stoke on Trent, and has been married to "Carrie"/Danes for 12 years!
Whoda thunkit!
Lucky lad!
Don’t forget David Wellington is played by Linus Roache, also a Northern English lad and son of Ken Barlow actor Bill Roache.
unident said:
He was Will Graham in Hannibal TV series a few years ago
Don’t forget David Wellington is played by Linus Roache, also a Northern English lad and son of Ken Barlow actor Bill Roache. unident said:
He's now got a recurring role in "The Good Fight", the spin off from "The Good Wife"
Granted, but Loaches son hasn't popped two babies inside Clare Danes 
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