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Legacywr said:
Lot's of things .........
I take it you've never had dealing with dimenture? Putting it in a PC incorrect manner, these people are no longer functioning or remembering properly. My Granddad had it, it was shocking, he was a true gentleman, always wore a tie, polite and the most caring person in the world. As this set in he would start talking about clearly the war (as a PoW, something he never did before), but at the same time couldn't remember if he had breakfast, or not realise he had to get dressed in the morning, or go to bed at night. Another issue is they forget how to chew/eat - it is really weird how parts of the memory fail - the only consolation is whilst they are 'sufferers' they don't know it, it's just all around them are suffering seeing someone go through this.
Yes the police could have given her points on her licence, but this was being revoked. They could have fined her £250 but do you really think she knows what's in her bank? It would have been a wasteful paper exercise. The right action was to take her car from her and make family/friends aware.
I haven't had much dealings with dementia personally, luckily!
I obviously realize that most others commenting have, and I have sympathy with you, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong in my argument, but I understand, neither are you, we just have different levels of sensitivity!
I'd like you all to answer a couple of questions for me.
Would you also take the 'no course of action' if the offense was DD?
What about if someone got killed by someone with dementia, would you still like the police to ignore the offense due to the illness?
I obviously realize that most others commenting have, and I have sympathy with you, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong in my argument, but I understand, neither are you, we just have different levels of sensitivity!
I'd like you all to answer a couple of questions for me.
Would you also take the 'no course of action' if the offense was DD?
What about if someone got killed by someone with dementia, would you still like the police to ignore the offense due to the illness?
Again, please excuse my lack of PC correctness.
If the lady was a clearly functioning person then yes - throw the book at her, let her learn her lesson etc.
This lady wasn't functioning correctly. If a lion escaped the zoo and killed someone, would you blame the lion? The lion knows no other; this woman now knows no other.
Discretion was used by the police, would it be in the public's interest to prosecute and fine her? Probably not. Is it in the public's interest to stop her driving - certainly.
Take the motoring issue out of it, if it was someone shouting & swearing in public, you'd expect them to get fined etc. If the person was shouting & swearing but had a serious mental illness would you expect them to get prosecuted?
To summarise your questions, would I expect the police to prosecute if someone close to me was killed by such a person - no. But I'd bloody well expect them to do everything they can to stop it happening again.
If the lady was a clearly functioning person then yes - throw the book at her, let her learn her lesson etc.
This lady wasn't functioning correctly. If a lion escaped the zoo and killed someone, would you blame the lion? The lion knows no other; this woman now knows no other.
Discretion was used by the police, would it be in the public's interest to prosecute and fine her? Probably not. Is it in the public's interest to stop her driving - certainly.
Take the motoring issue out of it, if it was someone shouting & swearing in public, you'd expect them to get fined etc. If the person was shouting & swearing but had a serious mental illness would you expect them to get prosecuted?
To summarise your questions, would I expect the police to prosecute if someone close to me was killed by such a person - no. But I'd bloody well expect them to do everything they can to stop it happening again.
Edited by graham22 on Wednesday 3rd February 17:07
At the point of being stopped, the woman did know what she was doing in my opinion, based on the conversation she was having!
As far as shouting in the street, people with mental health issues, are regularly taken into jail, wrongly, but it does happen!
But, what about my questions where I escalated the offenses/crimes committed by someone with dementia?
As far as shouting in the street, people with mental health issues, are regularly taken into jail, wrongly, but it does happen!
But, what about my questions where I escalated the offenses/crimes committed by someone with dementia?
Even if she had killed someone, there is a strong chance that she would be unprosecutable. Right from the moment they are cautioned, which they must be able to understand what is being said and what it means. Any half decent lawyer would be able to demonstrate that she didn't.
See the case against Lord Janner recently. It is the justice system, not the revenge system, and certainly not the "what is right" system. Should it be? Probably. But you can only use the system that exists, not one that you want to.
See the case against Lord Janner recently. It is the justice system, not the revenge system, and certainly not the "what is right" system. Should it be? Probably. But you can only use the system that exists, not one that you want to.
skip_1 said:
Maybe I'm cynical, most of these stories they know who was the perp but don't have enough evidence, even with fingerprints. Hope this one is different.
If the driver is the owner of the van and reports that it has been stolen, then his prints on the box will not be proof as to the contents. So yeah, not easy to prove.Mr GrimNasty said:
Completely pointless putting the driver of the u-turn car through more stress, it was clear as day the motorcyclist bought his own ticket with massive excess speed.
Scary how determined the police are to blame car drivers when idiot cyclists and motorcyclists kill themselves.
Not at all sure that was massive excess speed. They said the bike would have had to have been doing 170 ish to have hit her, if coming into sight after she'd looked. Some bikes can do that, but a little Daytona ain't one of them.Scary how determined the police are to blame car drivers when idiot cyclists and motorcyclists kill themselves.
In fact, given they are normally quite specific in how fast vehicles were travelling before crashes after looking at the damage etc, saying it was probably 60-ish and maybe a bit more given some braking, suggests to me that there was nothing at all sensational about the biker's speed. Taking the driver to court also suggests they didn't feel it was the main cause.
So she looked, but did not see, a common problem... but maybe more to do with how the eye/brain works than a failing of the driver.
https://tomroelandts.com/articles/the-looming-effe...
http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/index52b6.html?fa=...
Having said that, a good, longer look rather than a glance will most likely break the looming/camo effect mentioned.
A whole bunch of what-ifs follow, but I suspect if the biker had provably been doing 60 or less and she'd have pulled the same stunt, causing a similar crash (which is all too common, at all sorts of speeds), she'd have been in a lot more trouble if he had then died from it.
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