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Pesty
26,140 posts
126 months
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gazchap said: It's pretty much a satirical look at the world of corporates and big business. These guys believe they're untouchable, and can essentially do whatever the hell they want - if something goes wrong, they'll just pay off the suits or make the problem go away a different way ("I had to kill Bob Morton because he made a mistake...") I think you are over thinking That scene. Yes there is satire aimed at business types. executive toilets and jumping in and going ahead of the number two etc etc. You just f  ked with teh wrong guy .... However that scene the demo had bullets because it made it funny  What would it be without the bullets? a nothing scene. Films don't have to be realistic we know they would never use live amo in a demo. they also would'nt demo Ed209 on 30th floor of a sky scraper.
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DrTre
12,428 posts
102 months
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Not to get too "film studies student" on y'all but I'm with gazchap. It (the film) is very much a satire on big business/corporate greed and how, ultimately, money is to be made at all costs. The whole idea of outsourcing the police for profit, the fact that they'd rather put a flawed concept on the streets than the pricier but better alternative etc. That particular scene is (to me) showing how no one gives a s t about anyone else; total disregard for the bloke killed, he's replaceable, just another corporate worker bee. The film is a direct broadside at the politics of the time (late 80's). Starship Troopers did a similar thing with regard to foreign policy of certain nations.
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Pesty
26,140 posts
126 months
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I am not dissagreeing with you about the rest of the film. Im talking purely about that scene and having bullets and death in it. I Just think the reason that scene has an armed ED209 is because PV likes blood and guts I don't think it plays to over think some scenes. He wanted a scene that people would remember or the writer did. And that scene did that. No bullets no blood, no famous scene. I alos belive its his sense of Black humour. There would be no tension as ED counted down without the machine being armed. No frantic tecnicians trying to shut it down. No panicing board menmber running around No work colleagues pushing him away. That is not satire on the business world thats just a pure comedy scene. Without the bullets it would have said more about the cut throat business world. Remember what the film critics said about Lindsay Anderson's film IF and his use of black and wite scenes
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Halb
18,105 posts
53 months
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But if it hadn't been live ammo then the satire wouldn't have been so hard hitting on their 'Gods' status.
I think it works both ways.
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DrTre
12,428 posts
102 months
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Yeah, I agree with you both.
It's a v funny scene and I wasn't meaning I thought it was put in as a dour social comment on ruthlessness...it's a hugely, grossly (in every sense) OTT scene and without the bullets it wouldn't have been the same.
LIke Halb says, it works both ways. It is funny how pretty much unfazed they are after a minute or so and that's the satirical bit, it's a ridiculous and completely overplayed scenario. Verhoeven has a knack for it.
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ali_kat
22,580 posts
91 months
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P-Jay said: Sounds like they're taking the concept and running a different story at least. I don't mind that so much, they take a established character and 'universe' and tell a whole new story like the Batman films, i'd take that over a straight re-make. That's what they are doing IIRC
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Negative Creep
11,347 posts
97 months
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Whatever happens, it can't be any worse that Robocop 3. I've seen thousands and thousands of films in my time, and without hyperbole I can honestly say that was one of the worst film I've ever had the misfortune to watch. Then there was the utterly dreadful cartoon and tv show, where we went from an ultra violent satire to a show where no one died and the guns were replaced with lasers
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Veeayt
990 posts
75 months
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weyland yutani
1,135 posts
34 months
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I knew they'd "Transformer-ize" ED-209 
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Halb
18,105 posts
53 months
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I think it looks pretty good.
It couldn't have stayed the same.
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PeXy
1,449 posts
41 months
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Hopefully it still roars like a lion!!
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RemyMartin
1,081 posts
75 months
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As long as it keeps the faux adverts, ultra ultra violence, a few nods to the original it should be ok.
The violence of the original still shocks now, not as much as the fact that my mum let me watch it when I was 10 years old!! Murphy getting shot actually is possibly one of the most brutal scenes in any film that I can think of!
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Halb
18,105 posts
53 months
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Yeah, Robocop is still very violent.
Running Man on tonight!!
He had to split.
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weyland yutani
1,135 posts
34 months
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I first saw Robocop aged 9 at a friends birthday party  Pretty shocking but we all thought it was awesome, especially when that bloke was obliterated by the car after soaking in toxic waste  There's absolutely no need for a remake/reboot
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Negative Creep
11,347 posts
97 months
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weyland yutani said: I first saw Robocop aged 9 at a friends birthday party Pretty shocking but we all thought it was awesome, especially when that bloke was obliterated by the car after soaking in toxic waste There's absolutely no need for a remake/reboot Never quite worked out why you'd keep a vat of toxic waste at an abandoned factory though......
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PeXy
1,449 posts
41 months
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Negative Creep said: weyland yutani said: I first saw Robocop aged 9 at a friends birthday party Pretty shocking but we all thought it was awesome, especially when that bloke was obliterated by the car after soaking in toxic waste There's absolutely no need for a remake/reboot Never quite worked out why you'd keep a vat of toxic waste at an abandoned factory though...... For someone to run into, silly... Always remember the scene in the second one where Kain sets about the dirty cop with a scaple, and the bit with Kains brain in a tank with his eyes looking at you is a bit freaky.
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Bullett
3,649 posts
54 months
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It won't keep the ultra violence, I suspect it will be a 12 or 15 max to get the widest audience.
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Jasandjules
45,852 posts
99 months
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No ED209 = No Robocop......
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Negative Creep
11,347 posts
97 months
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PeXy said: For someone to run into, silly... Always remember the scene in the second one where Kain sets about the dirty cop with a scaple, and the bit with Kains brain in a tank with his eyes looking at you is a bit freaky. Problem with the second film was that it was just flat out nasty, with none of the subtlety or humanity of the first. They had that repulsive child villain, who we're suddenly supposed to feel sorry for as when he's dying
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Halb
18,105 posts
53 months
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Bullett said: It won't keep the ultra violence, I suspect it will be a 12 or 15 max to get the widest audience. Sort of annoying that. When was the last ultra violent film? Rambo 4? That was an 18. I fear that Robocop will be watered down though. Predictable and pathetic.
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