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Pints
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63 months
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Swordman said: And Mein Kampf was just a book. What a daft comparison. The one was an autobiographical book, outlining an ideology. The other a work of fiction for entertainment purposes.
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Pesty
25,828 posts
125 months
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Pints said: What a daft comparison.
The one was an autobiographical book, outlining an ideology.
The other a work of fiction for entertainment purposes. thats how it starts! i think swordmans should do his bit for racism by going to live with some african gangsters to foster relations.
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Swordman
156 posts
33 months
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Pints said: What a daft comparison.
The one was an autobiographical book, outlining an ideology.
The other a work of fiction for entertainment purposes. Entertainment or not, you have to look at the bigger picture. Which has the bigger social reach, Mein Kampf or District 9? A tough one to answer, but it's fair to say that they both have a huge social reach. Does the piece of entertainment contain any moral/ethical issues? Can someone be influenced by these issues? Just because it's a work of fiction doesn't mean it doesn't have an agenda.
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Butter Face
5,699 posts
29 months
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Lost soul said: Swordman said: It wouldn't be so bad if there was at least one redeeming black character in the entire film, but there wasn't. Why does there have to be a nice black character in a film to make it better , it was after all science fiction And also, the fact that there is a very positive black character in that of Fundiswa who essentially uncovers how corrupt MNU is. Ok do he gets jailed for it. But he was still doing the right thing.
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Pints
14,677 posts
63 months
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Swordman said: Entertainment or not, you have to look at the bigger picture.
Which has the bigger social reach, Mein Kampf or District 9? A tough one to answer, but it's fair to say that they both have a huge social reach.
Does the piece of entertainment contain any moral/ethical issues?
Can someone be influenced by these issues?
Just because it's a work of fiction doesn't mean it doesn't have an agenda. Some people can be influenced by almost anything. (Have you seen the way that filthy character Elmo grabs his crotch when he dances?) That said, you needn't ban a piece of work simply because someone, somewhere either finds it offensive, is insulted by it or might be influenced by it. And more so if there's more than just a passing element of truth in the work. Until you've experienced Africa and its truths - which most Westerners would find very hard to stomach at any level - then I don't think you can declare that any social reach which this film may have should be declared unethical or immoral. Much of what we find abhorent in the civilised world would pass for yet another day in a comparative paradise on the Dark Continent.
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mikeyr
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62 months
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Lost soul
5,246 posts
51 months
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Butter Face said: Lost soul said: Swordman said: It wouldn't be so bad if there was at least one redeeming black character in the entire film, but there wasn't. Why does there have to be a nice black character in a film to make it better , it was after all science fiction And also, the fact that there is a very positive black character in that of Fundiswa who essentially uncovers how corrupt MNU is. I missed the first what ever of it  onlt saw it from when he escapes from the hospital Ok do he gets jailed for it. But he was still doing the right thing.
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BliarOut
53,460 posts
108 months
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Swordman said: billybob69 said: What a load of cobblers, I won't say any more as this will detract the thread, just balancing out your points. With a name like billybob, I'm not surprised. Cletus, Peggy Sue, Darlene and Clayton won't get it either. That comes across as a bit racist...
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Pesty
25,828 posts
125 months
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BliarOut said: That comes across as a bit racist... anti racists can be racist keep up as long as its aimed at cracker trailer trash all fair game just dont say nigerian gangsters are bad peopel mmmkayy danishia and lataishia would get it.
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Porkbrain
245 posts
106 months
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Swordman said: Entertainment or not, you have to look at the bigger picture.
Which has the bigger social reach, Mein Kampf or District 9? A tough one to answer, but it's fair to say that they both have a huge social reach.
Does the piece of entertainment contain any moral/ethical issues?
Can someone be influenced by these issues?
Just because it's a work of fiction doesn't mean it doesn't have an agenda. Utter b  ks. It was a sci-fi film that I enjoyed watching. Your comments are along the lines of pretentious wine buffs that say things like 'Overall it was enjoyable but with a hint of mulberry, dogs t and fag ash." Oh, and thanks again to defblade for the topic.
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pidsy
1,969 posts
26 months
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Swordman - are you in fact a nigerian gangster?
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carreauchompeur
10,587 posts
73 months
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pidsy said: Swordman - are you in fact a nigerian gangster? Ni, he is a fooking prawn.
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Swordman
156 posts
33 months
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pidsy said: Swordman - are you in fact a nigerian gangster? No, but I do like fried chicken and watermelon.
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pidsy
1,969 posts
26 months
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So do i!
I still dont think the film had an agenda though.
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Butter Face
5,699 posts
29 months
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I think it's quite obvious that the prawns are infected Humans from another planet that were exiled.
Or slavery.
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Famous Graham
26,537 posts
94 months
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Swordman said: Pesty said: yes those bloody prawns are filty things.
when teh film came out a lot of people said teh story mirrored the white treatment of blacks with aparteid and townships etc etc.
but no its not a racist film. Well, this is how I saw it (maybe I'm wrong, but I could easily see how some people might be offended): Aliens = black people Aliens are dirty, filthy scum, and everyone wants them out. Nigerian gangsters were cannibals that had a witch doctor and had prostitutes that had sex with aliens (bestiality). Whether or not the aliens represented black people, could be a non-issue as it's a film about aliens, not black people. However, the portrayal of the Nigerian gangsters was full on, blatant racism! Could be worse, I guess. It could be like Crank. Wow, did you ever miss the point. Sod the whoosh parrot, we need a fookin' whoosh Rok over here.
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thinfourth2
23,523 posts
73 months
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Swordman said: pidsy said: Swordman - are you in fact a nigerian gangster? No, but I do like fried chicken and watermelon. I take you haven't actually been to Nigeria As to the nigerian gangsters, their gangsters they aren't meant to be nice Lets face it it would be a s t film if the nigerian gangster wanted to give everyone a picture of a pink fluffy bunny
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Voight Kampff
1,107 posts
29 months
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Swordman said: It wouldn't be so bad if there was at least one redeeming black character in the entire film, but there wasn't. You're proved wrong further down the thread. But lets ask if there is one redeeming white person in the film? Other than the lead role, who ain't exactly perfect, the white people are seen as evil enough, a man willing to sacrifice his own son in law to study the alien infection, white people destroying aliens in experiments, white people gunning down aliens for fun.An as you put it the aliens are supposed to represent the blacks and there's a fair few redeeming alien roles in there. Your analysis of the film is seriously flawed.
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Voight Kampff
1,107 posts
29 months
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carreauchompeur said: Ni, he is a fooking prawn. Ni he ist Darcus vokkin Howe and I claim ma five vokkin rand, mun
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Swordman
156 posts
33 months
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Voight Kampff said: You're proved wrong further down the thread. But lets ask if there is one redeeming white person in the film? Other than the lead role, who ain't exactly perfect, the white people are seen as evil enough, a man willing to sacrifice his own son in law to study the alien infection, white people destroying aliens in experiments, white people gunning down aliens for fun.An as you put it the aliens are supposed to represent the blacks and there's a fair few redeeming alien roles in there. Your analysis of the film is seriously flawed. There are redeeming white people in the film, they're just down-played. The main character's family seemed pretty grounded. That's a redeeming quality if ever there was one. I think some of you guys need to calm down a little. It was just an observation and opinion. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that thought of it. I don't see the need to defend it with rage and fury. Besides, it's not the only film that has questionable moral issues attached to it. And I do know the difference between a film about race and a racist film. For example, Crash and To Kill a Mockingbird are films about race. District 9 and The Great White Hype are racist films. Take it for what it is. An opinion. Nick Griffin claims he isn't racist. In my opinion, he is. It's just an opinion. He may not be racist, who knows for sure? Remember, the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the World he didn't exist.
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