The Men Who Made Us Fat
Discussion
B Huey said:
I've heard these stats and I don't believe it. You only need to look around to see they are rubbish.
No way the vast majority of people are overweight.
LOL in that case I'm the equivalent of the poor lad in the Sixth Sense,No way the vast majority of people are overweight.
"I see fat people"
Not long ago I used to think the reports were BS but nowadays I seem to see more fat people than normal. A sad sign of the times.
Re: the programme though it's all BS as is the mentality that banks force us to take out loans and get wildly into debt. It's a simple case of self control.
All this Atkins and carb diet nonsense is exactly that. The human race is supposed to store fat as it's what makes us healthy and has enabled us to survive this long as a species. The simple answer is to eat less s#ite i.e. cook meals from scratch and little/often. It's astonishing that we seem obsessed with eating so much food as we actually require very little to get by.
Fatman2 said:
All this Atkins and carb diet nonsense is exactly that. The human race is supposed to store fat as it's what makes us healthy and has enabled us to survive this long as a species. The simple answer is to eat less s#ite i.e. cook meals from scratch and little/often. It's astonishing that we seem obsessed with eating so much food as we actually require very little to get by.
I agree, to a degree. The trouble is that human processed food production has outpaced human evolution by a huge degree and is driven by the desire to make money, rather than keep us all at an ideal weight. We are designed by nature to eat natural food yet most of what is available in the shops isn't.Now I love a curry/pizza/cake as much as the next man band I'm a cynical bstrd who will usually dismiss fads of any sort. But, I'm ashamed to say I've been suckered in by that Zoe Harcombe womans ways of thinking. Essentially that you can eat anything you want, in any quanitity as long as it's not processed and you don't mix carbs with fats in the same meal.
As mentioned already the carb -> insulin -> Glycogen -> fat storage process seems to be the thing making us fat. i.e. you can eat a bacon omlette cooked in butter and your body will use all those calories and not store any. If you add white bread and some baked beans then that triggers the body to store anything not used up as fat.
I've simplified that a lot, based on my scant information. It's an interesting subject though and sparks interesting debate.
Cheers. ep1 was not easy to find on iplayer (why can't other ep's be available as a link from other ep's??? It's not hard BBC!).
Now that people can see the dangers and comsumerist dependance on sugar, I think it's time to talk about the sugar conspiracy and it goes like this:-
- 3rd world countries try to grow crops in the same way the west do in a hot arid environment that is completely unsuitable.
- Predictably and eventually the crops fail.
- Their people starve. People die.
- The West bail them out. But in return for help we set cripling interest rates on our loans of food or money.
- As part of the deal the IMF and WB demand that in order to pay back the loans asap, these 3rd world countries must produce the food that will generate the best ecomonic return - sugar, either in the form of corn for corn-syrup or sugarbeat for sugar.
- The deal is so extreme, the 3rd world country has to set themselves up as a mono-culture. A nation using all available space to produce this 1 crop.
- Conveniently, the West depends on it's own consumerism and our consumers are hopelessly addicted to sugar.
- The West gets it's sugar as mass-produced, pre-set cheap rates.
- Consumers addicted and cheap imports = maximum profits. The people influencing all this get richer.
- But the 3rd world climate is too hot and arid to produce these crops reliably - return to step 1... and so the cycle continues.
NB: this is a conspiracy!
Now that people can see the dangers and comsumerist dependance on sugar, I think it's time to talk about the sugar conspiracy and it goes like this:-
- 3rd world countries try to grow crops in the same way the west do in a hot arid environment that is completely unsuitable.
- Predictably and eventually the crops fail.
- Their people starve. People die.
- The West bail them out. But in return for help we set cripling interest rates on our loans of food or money.
- As part of the deal the IMF and WB demand that in order to pay back the loans asap, these 3rd world countries must produce the food that will generate the best ecomonic return - sugar, either in the form of corn for corn-syrup or sugarbeat for sugar.
- The deal is so extreme, the 3rd world country has to set themselves up as a mono-culture. A nation using all available space to produce this 1 crop.
- Conveniently, the West depends on it's own consumerism and our consumers are hopelessly addicted to sugar.
- The West gets it's sugar as mass-produced, pre-set cheap rates.
- Consumers addicted and cheap imports = maximum profits. The people influencing all this get richer.
- But the 3rd world climate is too hot and arid to produce these crops reliably - return to step 1... and so the cycle continues.
NB: this is a conspiracy!
dave_s13 said:
But, I'm ashamed to say I've been suckered in by that Zoe Harcombe womans ways of thinking. Essentially that you can eat anything you want, in any quanitity as long as it's not processed and you don't mix carbs with fats in the same meal.
I've just started the Harcombe diet and it is wierd as I've dropped 2.5lbs in the last 2 days but cutting out dairy, carbs, processed food and sugars. It has been hard as I love coffee but you can't have milk and only decaf so I have had a ripping headache but I just had a bacon omlette for breakfast!
mattikake said:
stuff.
NB: this is a conspiracy!
Yeah. but it doesn't make it ot true!NB: this is a conspiracy!
All anyone needs to do is look at how the IF/World Bank offers it loans.
There is also a decent film called The Corporation, might interest some. It shows how the USAF has been used as a weapon to bash all the third world countries in the Americas (and elsewhere) into submission to grow bananas and whatnot. And when the USA came close to an attempted (apart from JFK) military coup d'état.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_%28fi...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
Tycho said:
I've just started the Harcombe diet and it is wierd as I've dropped 2.5lbs in the last 2 days but cutting out dairy, carbs, processed food and sugars. It has been hard as I love coffee but you can't have milk and only decaf so I have had a ripping headache but I just had a bacon omlette for breakfast!
Black coffee? And why no dairy?Halb said:
Tycho said:
I've just started the Harcombe diet and it is wierd as I've dropped 2.5lbs in the last 2 days but cutting out dairy, carbs, processed food and sugars. It has been hard as I love coffee but you can't have milk and only decaf so I have had a ripping headache but I just had a bacon omlette for breakfast!
Black coffee? And why no dairy?Tycho said:
Halb said:
Tycho said:
I've just started the Harcombe diet and it is wierd as I've dropped 2.5lbs in the last 2 days but cutting out dairy, carbs, processed food and sugars. It has been hard as I love coffee but you can't have milk and only decaf so I have had a ripping headache but I just had a bacon omlette for breakfast!
Black coffee? And why no dairy?mattikake said:
Er, carbs and fats are already mixed in food. And all Veg has carbs.
It's mixing refined carbs and fats that's the no no. I assume the carbs contained in broccoli are processed differently than the carbs in white sugar? i.e. they don't stimulate the release of insulin in quite the same way????The book gives you a list of "fat" foods, "carb" foods and also a list of foods that can be eaten with either Fat, or carbs. Don't cross the streams!
dave_s13 said:
mattikake said:
Er, carbs and fats are already mixed in food. And all Veg has carbs.
It's mixing refined carbs and fats that's the no no. I assume the carbs contained in broccoli are processed differently than the carbs in white sugar? i.e. they don't stimulate the release of insulin in quite the same way????The book gives you a list of "fat" foods, "carb" foods and also a list of foods that can be eaten with either Fat, or carbs. Don't cross the streams!
similarly I wasn't being argumentative although it might have come across that way.
This Harcombe thing is essentially what you just said. Stop eating s
t, and eat foods that nature intended you to eat. The carb/fat mixing thing is only the first part of the diet, it eventually leads to you eating a mix of everything mother nature provides for us.
I's just a way of packaging a concept that makes it easier to implement in your everday life. Takes a considerable effort though, and buying all fresh fruit, veg and meat/fish is fooking expensive. No wonder we're all fats, it's cheaper.
This Harcombe thing is essentially what you just said. Stop eating s
t, and eat foods that nature intended you to eat. The carb/fat mixing thing is only the first part of the diet, it eventually leads to you eating a mix of everything mother nature provides for us.I's just a way of packaging a concept that makes it easier to implement in your everday life. Takes a considerable effort though, and buying all fresh fruit, veg and meat/fish is fooking expensive. No wonder we're all fat
s, it's cheaper.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff