The Men Who Made Us Fat

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http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/how-man...


http://missinghumanmanual.com/?tag=food-and-wester...

Edited by Halb on Friday 8th March 23:01

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The Men who Made us Thin...tonight on BBC2 at 9.

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Also, the Men Who Made Us Fat is currently being repeated as well.

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DukeDickson said:

Also think there's an element of convenient avoidance of personal responsibility.

Have you seen the Men Who Made Us Fat?

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DukeDickson said:

I did watch at the time, but can't claim to remember much of the detail.

I re-watched the second half of the first ep, since it was on.
Personal responsibility is touched upon by the scientists/owners (I forget the names of those talking). The last chap (an old fella) goes on about how it's not amazing that there are so many fat people, but it's amazing how there are so many normal (old size normal/thin) people considering how our current diet is arranged.
Though I reckon it'd be a good bet (if things don't change) that in 5-10 years, fatties will be the majority, and thinnies will be a small minority. Those whose genetics are especially resilient to our eating trends. And those who are educated enough to understand how st the Western diet is.

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Second ep on tonight. Tessa Jowell = utter .

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LordGrover said:

When you post at midnight, do you mean yesterday or today?

Yesterday.

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Iplayer for The Man Who Made Me Thin for me...and on my string connection that means several hours download time.

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I haven't.
I just started reading the leangains guys website, plus this one.
http://authoritynutrition.com/how-much-sugar-per-d...

Gonna try and do the 16/8 thing combined with a set ratio of carbs/fat/protein...and see where it takes me....I've been on a sugar rush for a month now, and the difference is obvious.

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I also think changing the western diet would be a big step in correcting the way we're heading.

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GnuBee said:

The series (both thin/fat) is ok but there seems to be lack of any desire to remind people of their own culpability in that fat "problem". Basically the program(s) position is:

1) Food industry - it's their fault
2) Diet industry - it's their fault
3) Gymn industry - it's their fault

Not been able to watch thin yet, but the culpability of the individual is certainly touched upon in Fat, especially ep 2. But the vast weight of responsibility does lie with the companies, with nutritionally imbalanced food, with ruthless marketing and with outright lies as to what is healthy, as the scientists and former food people all agreed to. The amount of food that the average supermarket offers is designed to make one fat.

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He's also pushed the other 2 agendas:
1) Diet can't help you lose weight
2) Exercise can't help you lose weight
I've got a feeling I'm watching 6 hours of programming that works to a conclusion of "blaming the man" when it could of been 30 mins that said:
Eat less calories than you spend = weight loss
Eat same calories as you spend = stable

The man is to be and should be blamed. It is likely not coincidence that the obesity epidemic reflects the change in food that has been on offer.
Calories are not equal, so it's not as simple as those equations.

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The concern is the programs (and it's not just this series) are giving people an excuse and allowing them to say "it's not my fault it's X". You eat too much you get fat; you can question the ethics of Coca Cola etc for as long as you like but they're not forcing you to drink the Big Gulp or eat a doughnut for 4 people.

The vast majority is not the fault of the person. British people haven't suddenly changed in the past 40 years, and all become super gluttons. You eat too much poor low quality food which is passed off as healthy, then you get fat also. Go back and see what addictive substance are in these drinks, it's chemical. The same reason that over 90% of on the shelf products in the supermarket all have an added extra bonus as well I think. Humans have evolved to react to certain substances, the food industry knows this and has used it in the past 40 years to drive a road to obesity, doing their best to destroy/ignore/belittle the research that shows this en route.

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Flibble said:

Halb said:

Not been able to watch thin yet, but the culpability of the individual is certainly touched upon in Fat, especially ep 2. But the vast weight of responsibility does lie with the companies, with nutritionally imbalanced food, with ruthless marketing and with outright lies as to what is healthy, as the scientists and former food people all agreed to. The amount of food that the average supermarket offers is designed to make one fat.

The man is to be and should be blamed. It is likely not coincidence that the obesity epidemic reflects the change in food that has been on offer.

I don't think you can blame it all on "the man" and completely absolve people of some personal responsibility. Everyone knows firing in a McD's every day is bad for you yet there are still plenty who do after all.
The blame lies at both doors - food companies for their dodgy advertising and making food generally more fattening through increased added sugar, and people for just firing in ste all the time.

Blame lies on both sides, but the programme did not say it was all one way traffic, just most of it, the deck is stacked heavily against most people. We're not just talking about McDs, but the most of the food on offer in our society. It's a society designed to make the fatties from 2000 AD.

Flibble said:

Halb said:

Calories are not equal, so it's not as simple as those equations.

They pretty much are. There aren't really magic calories that don't have any effect on the body. The only real difference between different calories is how you respond to them in terms of hunger signalling.

Calories aren't the same. Helping people lose fat (and retain as much muscle as they can) is much easier when they start to watch their macronutrients.
http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/nutrition/a...
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/n...
http://www.runnersworld.com/the-starting-line/calo...
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20120626/all-calori...

Flibble said:

Halb said:

The vast majority is not the fault of the person. British people haven't suddenly changed in the past 40 years, and all become super gluttons.

This is true, but it's not just that food has got worse, another aspect is that food has got cheaper in real terms, so people can afford to buy more of it.

I understand. Sugar has gotten real cheap. Chatting to people of a certain age is enlightening. When chocolate (or a banana) was a once a week treat...almost difficult to put that into perspective now.

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Halb said:

You eat too much poor low quality food which is passed off as healthy, then you get fat also. Go back and see what addictive substance are in these drinks, it's chemical. The same reason that over 90% of on the shelf products in the supermarket all have an added extra bonus as well I think.

Everything you eat is chemical.
The addictive substance would be sugar I guess? As that's more or less the only addictive substance in most soft drinks and other processed products.

The universe is chemical. When I started looking at what food companies started to put sugar into (when I became interested in this stuff, in the supermarket), it was almost everything, soup, meat, lots of savoury products. I found one premade soup with no sugar, Yorkshire Provender. The list they don't put it in is smaller.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myxwCEGcBYc

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DukeDickson said:

Same issue as always though, it is always someone else's fault. Unfortunately, it isn't (and I can say that as a ex lard lad, well generally ).
You have to understand the good & bad of the genetic draw (and accept/adapt accordingly, which I wasn't good at, if being honest) & then you're on your own.

Not 100%, but the environment is more at fault in my opinion.
The 'on your own attitude' obviously isn't working.

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98elise said:

Basic meat, veg and salad is still available in every supermarket. None of the crap foof is forced on anyone. All thats happened is we have greater choice, and most chose to eat the crap.

Nobody anywhere is forced to do anything. But larger supermarkets take custom from more local easily accessible shops, style moves towards doing larger bulk shops as supermarkets move out of town. Most premade packaged food is filled with sugar/salt (whatever) for reasons discussed in thread, even savoury or some meats. As well as misinformation about what is healthy. The move is to sell more and more for less and less, adding certain things helps achieve this.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25708278

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Powerful companies.


Here's a lil youtube animation I came across today. basic but fun.
How sugar affects the brain - Nicole Avena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEXBxijQREo

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Dispatches next Monday at 8.
Are You Addicted To Sugar.

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On now.