The Men Who Made Us Fat

[Halb]

Mojooo said:

On the plus side, EU rules mean that in a few eyars most food manufacturers will have to provide a detailed nurtional table - so it info will be there for those that want to spend the time workign it out. All you have to do is decide how much fat/sugaretc you wnat per day then just work our what you are buyign has per 100g/serving.

I hope so.Some of those foreign products I looked at were just indecipherable.

[hornet]

zb said:

I watched this last night, and something troubled me deeply. See when Jacques Peretti was doing his solo pieces to camera, he never looked directly at the camera, and so at us, the viewer. He was always looking off to the left or right. I don't know if this is some new "technique" but it makes me think what he is saying lacks veracity, and so by extension that he is insincere. Not a good idea for a serious programme.

Anyone else notice this?

I enjoyed the programme as a whole (read Fast Food Nation, Belching Out the Devil etc), but I noticed that as well and it really bugged me. Seemed like a very odd way of presenting things and I'm intrigued to know the logic behind it.

[LordGrover]

Magic919 said:

This is worth a look, albeit over an hour long. Sugar, the bitter truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ&fea...

I suspect there is much truth there - I hope it's as simple as he says.
While getting 'people' to change is difficult, getting a person (me) to do so is easy.

[Mr Happy]

hornet said:

zb said:

I watched this last night, and something troubled me deeply. See when Jacques Peretti was doing his solo pieces to camera, he never looked directly at the camera, and so at us, the viewer. He was always looking off to the left or right. I don't know if this is some new "technique" but it makes me think what he is saying lacks veracity, and so by extension that he is insincere. Not a good idea for a serious programme.

Anyone else notice this?

I enjoyed the programme as a whole (read Fast Food Nation, Belching Out the Devil etc), but I noticed that as well and it really bugged me. Seemed like a very odd way of presenting things and I'm intrigued to know the logic behind it.

I've noticed this too, but by far the most annoying thing is the super close ups that cut off half of the persons head, and the constant wobbling camera... It's trying its hardest to appear edgy and dynamic, but it just serves to make the cameraman look st at his job, and really makes me want to turn it off.

Not a good idea for a tv show, making the viewers want to turn it off!!

[Halb]

Magic919 said:

This is worth a look, albeit over an hour long. Sugar, the bitter truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ&fea...

Finally watched it.
Brilliant brilliant lecture.

[susanq]

Halb said:

Magic919 said:

This is worth a look, albeit over an hour long. Sugar, the bitter truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ&fea...

Finally watched it.
Brilliant brilliant lecture.

Just watched this too. Very educational. Admittedly, I was already aware of HFCS and fructose. A trip to the U.S. was an eye opener. Trying to find something in the supermarket that didn't contain it, was a challenge. Even the bread had it in it. I was led to believe the animal feed contains it too, so the meat is full of it. Very difficult to avoid.

[Mojooo]

80 minutes just to tell us sugar is bad?

Actually some of the content in that lecture was similar to what was shown in one of the episodes of The Men Who Made us Fat.

Not necessarily sure I buy the whole exercise doesnt make you lose weight concept - I've seen multiple examples personally of it doing so.

The real problem is keeping weight off, for most people its a case of putting weight on and then working hard to get if off and then putting it on again.

It does eventually come back to the point that its a) very hard for us to change oru habits and b) in mdoern day life its hard to get away from foods that are loaded with sugar because we are either unable or too lazy to go for non processed food.

[Halb]

Not been to the USA for a while but I can imagine, I knew it was in their bread. There must be healthy alternatives?

Mojooo said:

80 minutes just to tell us sugar is bad?

If it wasn't a very detailed 80 minutes it might be easier to dismiss what he says.
Don't forget he is trying to help people get over 30-40 years of bad nutritional advice based on misconceptions, poor science, bad faith and outright lies.
The low fat, calorie in calorie out, don't eat at night etc. There are a lot of things that people think are good for them and it still tastes good...hard to overcome and as the guy says this will never be a top down change, too much money. It has to be a bottom up change and for that you need a comprehensive and exhaustive argument. If you just went up to someone and said, 'hey sugar bad', they'd go, yeah so what?

Edit.
Just to add yeah there was a lot of crossover, the main difference was that he makes no distinction between HFCS and sugar.
Also I think he said exercise makes no difference under the condition you continue to eat your packet of cookies. Which is true, for weight loss you do also need to reduce the intake, if you don't wanna be a fit fattie.

Edited by Halb on Wednesday 18th July 07:28

[Eric Mc]

king arthur said:

Yes I found that annoying. I don't know who thought that was a good idea but they need to knock it on the head.

Along with wobbly camera syndrome, it is a tecvhnique that has come into favour with documentary makers in recent years. I find it deeply anoying and it sometimes puts me off watching the programme when I see it being used.

Brian Cox's "Wonder" series has it in places too.

[Halb]

Horizon:The Truth About Looking Young was on this week.
Sugar also got hit as a big baddie is helping people to look older than they are.

[BliarOut]

Didn't you have to eat about 1kg of broccoli per day to counter the effect?

Sod it, eating is bad for you, pass the comfort food

[Halb]

Sprinkle some sugar on it, should be reet then.

[dave_s13]

Halb said:

Magic919 said:

This is worth a look, albeit over an hour long. Sugar, the bitter truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ&fea...

Finally watched it.
Brilliant brilliant lecture.

Very interesting.

My littluns are drinking fizzy water/slice of lime from now on.

[Halb]

How to magnetise a baby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I&fea...

[Regiment]

Mobile Chicane said:

Moreover, the RDAs.

2500 calories a day is quoted on food labels as the 'recommended' allowance for a man. If you're a 25 year-old hod carrier that is...

Given my age and activity level, anything above 1400 and I'll put on weight.

Bit rude to ask but what sort of life style do you lead and what's your daily activities. I eat around 3000 calories a day and maintain body weight at around 110kg but that's with hour gym sessions every night with work involving me generally sat on my bum most of the day.

[grumbledoak]

Halb said:

How to magnetise a baby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I&fea...

vegetable said:

"visit the VegSource store"

Yup, couldn't possibly be an agenda there. Just 'cos something triggers the release of these chemicals doesn't mean we have to turn vegan. So does sex, and any number of other things that are good for survival of the species.

[Halb]

grumbledoak said:

Halb said:

How to magnetise a baby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I&fea...

vegetable said:

"visit the VegSource store"

Yup, couldn't possibly be an agenda there. Just 'cos something triggers the release of these chemicals doesn't mean we have to turn vegan. So does sex, and any number of other things that are good for survival of the species.

Of course there is an agenda, if you watch the lecture you'll see it. Cut out the stuff that helps cancer.

[Flibble]

Halb said:

How to magnetise a baby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I&fea...

Found that one a lot less interesting than the sugar lecture. Just seemed to be pushing his vegan agenda a bit too much. Any diet where you have to take a multivitamin is flawed if you ask me.

[Flibble]

dave_s13 said:

As mentioned already the carb -> insulin -> Glycogen -> fat storage process seems to be the thing making us fat. i.e. you can eat a bacon omlette cooked in butter and your body will use all those calories and not store any. If you add white bread and some baked beans then that triggers the body to store anything not used up as fat.

I've simplified that a lot, based on my scant information. It's an interesting subject though and sparks interesting debate.

To clear up something here - you eat a bacon omelette you'll get a nice fat insulin spike. Not as much as eating sugary or starchy foods, but still more than enough to do trigger all the insulin mediated things. Given that hunger and satiety hormones are driven by the same things that drive insulin this is a good thing, if you got no insulin response you wouldn't feel satisfied and would want to eat more. This is the problem with fructose (and by association, sugar) which is partly why it makes you fat.

[Halb]

Flibble said:

Found that one a lot less interesting than the sugar lecture. Just seemed to be pushing his vegan agenda a bit too much. Any diet where you have to take a multivitamin is flawed if you ask me.

Yeah same here a bit. I agree about the multivitamins thing too. I also wasn't happy with the soy stuff. But there was still good stuff in there.
I wonder if chip shops starting sprinkling sugar in their chips/batter if they're custom would go up?
Also, eggs seriously fill me up, but then so does porridge.