The Men Who Made Us Fat
Discussion
This is worth a look, albeit over an hour long. Sugar, the bitter truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5X0i92OZQ&fea...
Fort Jefferson said:
People do not get fat over night, they get fat one burger, one fizzy drink, one pint, one low fat biscuit, one chocolate snack, one spoonful of added extra sugar or corn syrup at a time.
The ting the programme should drive home is how pour Western society id designed to get people addicted and then keep them addicted at the risk of their own health. It's worse than smoking.The added sugar in everything (look at labels, it really is in everything, yanks even put it in bread!). The hamburger isn't even that bad, its all the other crap.
We are a sugar mad nation, and the wilful deceit of the food companies is boggling, especially some of the crap they were coming out with, that that woman who was tying to defend coke, perhaps the most unhealthy drink on the planet.
The other thing which hopefully people will pick up on is that you can still be fat when thin, along with the all the other issues like diabetes.
When you look at all the money wasted on the ridiculous 'war on drugs'. Imagine an alien looking at British life in the last 30 years, as we eat our way into unhealthy immobile death. Turkeys do indeed vote for Christmas.
On firebox there used to be some berries you could buy, that if you ate them made everything taste sweet. A fella tried to get them popular in the 60s or 70s but there was talk of a conspiracy, which I can well believe now. It would basically have meant the end of sugar as the extra add-on in everything.
edited to add that even the food you may think is good for you...like lean chicken? The chickens of the 70s had 30% less fat in the lean meat. Because they were all grown as chickens were meant to be grown, on a farm, naturally. Move forward and we have factory farming by the thousands, little cages with birds that are pumped full of s
t to get them bigger. The result? Much bigger birds but much fatter and unhealthier as well. Not to mention the cruelty issue.The natural unassuming greed of the human will be the end of it.
And that berry was the miracle fruit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synsepalum_dulcificum
Edited by Halb on Tuesday 10th July 22:56
BliarOut said:
So how are you finding it?
Not too bad at the moment. Not missing caffeine which is a surprise and have lost about 5lb so far. Feeling better in general, less bloated and lethargic as well. Sticking to the 2nd phase of the diet isn't to bad as it is really cutting out processed food and I seem to have lost the cravings for sugary snacks which was always a big weakness of mine.
The above vile creature is the public health minster, Anne Milton.
To hear her croak at the end of the show was quite unsettling, another ugly politician just lying and covering arses.
Legislation doesn't work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Milton#Controver...
Its is comical how businesses influence policy - it happens all the time and infact its happening right now. The silly bint of an MP appears clueless or is a liar. The Government is doing everything it can to de-regulate. They simply wouldn't have the balls to Regulate certain issues.
Why can we not legislate? Surely if we put strict rules in place that forced companies to change their behaviour that could in turn change the behaviour of consumers. Its quite easily the only way that big change will happen.
Its a myth that consumers dictate everything - certain industries have us by the balls and the food industry, on the whole is one of them.
The problem with current legislation, as the show demonstrrates is that its easy for a food product to claim it is healthy because it has lots of fruit or is low in sugar but hide away the fact that it might be high in salt or fat etc.
The simple fact is the average consumer does not have time or the knowledge/brains to be able to decipher complex food products (as the FSA put it). IMO the Government has a responsility to make food products labelled clearly - we have usch clever marketing peopel that can create impressions of products that are far removed from reality.
Regulation may be a dirty word, but I will give you two dirtier words - fat people.
The EU recently brought in strict rules on health and nutirition claims (strong, but not strong enough) - you know what? We can be thankful the EU has done what our Government is clearly too scared to do.
Why can we not legislate? Surely if we put strict rules in place that forced companies to change their behaviour that could in turn change the behaviour of consumers. Its quite easily the only way that big change will happen.
Its a myth that consumers dictate everything - certain industries have us by the balls and the food industry, on the whole is one of them.
The problem with current legislation, as the show demonstrrates is that its easy for a food product to claim it is healthy because it has lots of fruit or is low in sugar but hide away the fact that it might be high in salt or fat etc.
The simple fact is the average consumer does not have time or the knowledge/brains to be able to decipher complex food products (as the FSA put it). IMO the Government has a responsility to make food products labelled clearly - we have usch clever marketing peopel that can create impressions of products that are far removed from reality.
Regulation may be a dirty word, but I will give you two dirtier words - fat people.
The EU recently brought in strict rules on health and nutirition claims (strong, but not strong enough) - you know what? We can be thankful the EU has done what our Government is clearly too scared to do.
BliarOut said:
Interesting to see the Sainsbury traffic light on the sandwich vs the wrap. I'd have picked the wrap if I wanted to be healthy. Shame this wasn't introduced, it'd make it much easier to achieve your goals if you were trying to lose weight.
Sainsburys went up in my view. Wish I had one near me.http://www.epha.org/a/4814
grumbledoak said:
There are traffic lights on Sainsbury and Waitrose stuff. Tesco was big objector.
Makes you wonder what they were terrified of?Common sense would seem to indicate people will still buy the really bad stuff (that have no alternatives) because it tastes great, and will simply switch from the mildly bad stuff to mildly good stuff if there are alternatives, they won't starve. That is what Sainburys found out.
Halb said:
grumbledoak said:
There are traffic lights on Sainsbury and Waitrose stuff. Tesco was big objector.
Makes you wonder what they were terrified of?Common sense would seem to indicate people will still buy the really bad stuff (that have no alternatives) because it tastes great, and will simply switch from the mildly bad stuff to mildly good stuff if there are alternatives, they won't starve. That is what Sainburys found out.
I watched this last night, and something troubled me deeply. See when Jacques Peretti was doing his solo pieces to camera, he never looked directly at the camera, and so at us, the viewer. He was always looking off to the left or right. I don't know if this is some new "technique" but it makes me think what he is saying lacks veracity, and so by extension that he is insincere. Not a good idea for a serious programme.
Anyone else notice this?
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Anyone else notice this?
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Edited by zb on Friday 13th July 18:07
I was just talking to my brother about this and he mentioned the term ' Bread and Circuses'
In Roman times the common populace were kept ' fat and happy ' with cheap food and entertainment such as chariot races, public execution etc. Now we have entertainment, tabloids, celebrity gossip etc.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
BliarOut said:
I've just been to Tesco, trying to figure out what's actually healthy and what isn't is a nightmare, half the stuff doesn't even have GDA percentages.
I was in Tesco today as well. Checking the RDAs. Sugar is in everything.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18770328
There will aways be a toss up between having a system that is easy to look at leek the traffic light and a system that gives detailed information. IMO the GDA system provides more detailed information and I can work our percentages. The traffic light system looks liek it could miss out information.
For exmaple, many foods give you the traffic light or GDA 'per serving' but if you look closely you will find their recommended serving is almost never near what the average person will actually eat (i.e it will be half of what a person eats!) so its not even accurate.
The best thing to do is compare your figures per 100g. That way you can get a more consistent view when comparing products.
On the plus side, EU rules mean that in a few eyars most food manufacturers will have to provide a detailed nurtional table - so it info will be there for those that want to spend the time workign it out. All you have to do is decide how much fat/sugaretc you wnat per day then just work our what you are buyign has per 100g/serving.
For exmaple, many foods give you the traffic light or GDA 'per serving' but if you look closely you will find their recommended serving is almost never near what the average person will actually eat (i.e it will be half of what a person eats!) so its not even accurate.
The best thing to do is compare your figures per 100g. That way you can get a more consistent view when comparing products.
On the plus side, EU rules mean that in a few eyars most food manufacturers will have to provide a detailed nurtional table - so it info will be there for those that want to spend the time workign it out. All you have to do is decide how much fat/sugaretc you wnat per day then just work our what you are buyign has per 100g/serving.
zb said:
I watched this last night, and something troubled me deeply. See when Jacques Peretti was doing his solo pieces to camera, he never looked directly at the camera, and so at us, the viewer. He was always looking off to the left or right. I don't know if this is some new "technique" but it makes me think what he is saying lacks veracity, and so by extension that he is insincere. Not a good idea for a serious programme.
Anyone else notice this?
Yes I found that annoying. I don't know who thought that was a good idea but they need to knock it on the head.Anyone else notice this?
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