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Halb
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Zwolf said: Could it not also have been referring to any other predecessor or other fellow current "00"?
"Other fella" is as ambiguous or as specific as the watcher wants to interpret it as...
Or was just a hammy, self-deprecating aside.
The reason it was included is the interpretation that the vast (if not all) of the viewers took while watching it, to refer directly to Connery. So while all those other interpretations exist in the ether there is only one that really exists with the makers and the viewers. The point being however that it doesn't matter how it was meant, it might not be much of a retcon or even one at all with that little aside made by the (as far as we know) 2nd Bond. rudecherub said: haha. yeah, but it didn't last very long, broken back or coming back from the dead, Bruce Wayne *is* Batman because that's what people expect.
Personally I don't mind the idea of a period Bond, ( a WWII Bond would be cool ) or a Batman legacy, such as Batman Beyond, but the market expects Bond to be Bond. Haha, ahh you're a scholar. I doth my cap.;) I think maybe the original Robin was also Batman for a while (before he became Nightwing), but am not sure. I don't mind either continuity, the way movies work today, they can have their cake, eat it, regurgitate it and then eat it in a different style tomorrow. We'll get the new Batman reboot soon.  edit. All I want from Bond is a great film, and that doesn't mean gadgets and it doesn't mean aping Bournes hilariously unrealistic fight scenes. A little conspiracy would be good though.
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rudecherub
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Halb said: Zwolf said: Could it not also have been referring to any other predecessor or other fellow current "00"?
"Other fella" is as ambiguous or as specific as the watcher wants to interpret it as...
Or was just a hammy, self-deprecating aside.
The reason it was included is the interpretation that the vast (if not all) of the viewers took while watching it, to refer directly to Connery. So while all those other interpretations exist in the ether there is only one that really exists with the makers and the viewers. The point being however that it doesn't matter how it was meant, it might not be much of a retcon or even one at all with that little aside made by the (as far as we know) 2nd Bond. rudecherub said: haha. yeah, but it didn't last very long, broken back or coming back from the dead, Bruce Wayne *is* Batman because that's what people expect.
Personally I don't mind the idea of a period Bond, ( a WWII Bond would be cool ) or a Batman legacy, such as Batman Beyond, but the market expects Bond to be Bond. Haha, ahh you're a scholar. I doth my cap.;) I think maybe the original Robin was also Batman for a while (before he became Nightwing), but am not sure. I don't mind either continuity, the way movies work today, they can have their cake, eat it, regurgitate it and then eat it in a different style tomorrow. We'll get the new Batman reboot soon. Nerd hat on, yeah the quip was really breaking the fourth wall Dick has been Batman in various ways, but in main continuity 'canon' most recently when Batman was 'dead' What happens next for the DC comics Movie-verse is interesting, it seems a lot is riding on Superman - Man of Steel 2013, which may introduce shared universe as Marvel did, with a reference - even a cameo by Wonder Woman. Since Nolan & Bale are done with 'Rises' & that 'universe' didn't include any other superheroes - it means a new Batman. As said up thread, Bond is the Holy Grail of Movie Franchises, which the Studios have tried many times to emulate.
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Halb
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rudecherub said: Nerd hat on, yeah the quip was really breaking the fourth wall Dick has been Batman in various ways, but in main continuity 'canon' most recently when Batman was 'dead' What happens next for the DC comics Movie-verse is interesting, it seems a lot is riding on Superman - Man of Steel 2013, which may introduce shared universe as Marvel did, with a reference - even a cameo by Wonder Woman. Since Nolan & Bale are done with 'Rises' & that 'universe' didn't include any other superheroes - it means a new Batman. As said up thread, Bond is the Holy Grail of Movie Franchises, which the Studios have tried many times to emulate. Yip, it broke the fourth wall, and is unusual, the point still stands and it still doesn't go against the 'many Bond' idea, it's there to be utilised if ever needed. It's canon. The JLA film is coming, so a new Batman who interacts with powered people is coming, it might suck, it might not. I don't know if Man of Steel will be a part of that. DC's family isn't fractured like Marvel's, so who knows!
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rudecherub
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Halb said: Yip, it broke the fourth wall, and is unusual, the point still stands and it still doesn't go against the 'many Bond' idea, it's there to be utilised if ever needed. It's canon.
The JLA film is coming, so a new Batman who interacts with powered people is coming, it might suck, it might not. I don't know if Man of Steel will be a part of that. DC's family isn't fractured like Marvel's, so who knows! It maybe your Bond idea does get used, or even is in use as something that is in the writers mind but not explicit in the story, Hemmingway compared a novel to iceberg, with most of the story below the water line. It's interesting because take eg Superman who is an alien who looks human, a trope that was accepted in the 30's but today post Star Wars / Alien causes people to say hang on how does *that* work? In the same way, if enough people start picking up on the notion that it's strange to pretend Connery Bond of the 60's is the same guy as Craig's then maybe they'll roll out the "007 James Bond" is a legacy title. That's the nature of make believe, once getting shot in the shoulder was seen as an okay wound, letting the Hero hero on, but increasingly that is no longer the case in fiction because more folks know in fact getting shot there isn't that easy. Like I said, I like mythology, ancient and modern, and stories in general so I revel in this kind of thing, but I'm also aware the more casual fan doesn't see the detail that I delight in.
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Halb
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rudecherub said: It maybe your Bond idea does get used, or even is in use as something that is in the writers mind but not explicit in the story, Hemmingway compared a novel to iceberg, with most of the story below the water line.
It's interesting because take eg Superman who is an alien who looks human, a trope that was accepted in the 30's but today post Star Wars / Alien causes people to say hang on how does *that* work?
In the same way, if enough people start picking up on the notion that it's strange to pretend Connery Bond of the 60's is the same guy as Craig's then maybe they'll roll out the "007 James Bond" is a legacy title.
That's the nature of make believe, once getting shot in the shoulder was seen as an okay wound, letting the Hero hero on, but increasingly that is no longer the case in fiction because more folks know in fact getting shot there isn't that easy.
Like I said, I like mythology, ancient and modern, and stories in general so I revel in this kind of thing, but I'm also aware the more casual fan doesn't see the detail that I delight in. I like the idea but that's it. I am not sure I would want to see it happen, execution often falls short. No-one sets out to make a bad film etc. I don't care if it happens or not, the only point I wanted to make was that it might not necessarily be a retcon, I am not an advocate for the idea, just that the possibility of it exist in potentia.
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Ayahuasca
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James Bond as an MI6 nom de guerre to cover serial 007s is interesting but would make it difficult for the audience to identify with a character who is merely a facade and whose back history is a lie.
I prefer to think of the JB I happen to be watching at the time as the only one and the genuine one.
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