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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
17 months
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Maxymillion said: I compete in Natural Bodybuilding and have done since the age of 19. At a high level? Well, that would down to the opinion of the judges table.... Jesus. Why did I google that? Not convinced by the protein shakes / energy drinks myself. I was a county standard 400m hurdler back in the early 90s, my 'isotonic drink' was a dash of salt in my orange squash... and it was all about carbs back then. I don't ever recall anyone having a protein drink - we were just told to eat lots of meat.
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Halb
Original Poster
17,870 posts
52 months
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The point was made several times in the programme it was about the average gym goer. Ever seen one. I see 'em everyday. Usually spend 30-45 mins doing curls, or walking on the treadmill whilst reading Hello magazine. Also about small kids who run around, they don't need Lucozade b  ks per game. 
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Maxymillion
452 posts
93 months
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I would agree that the 'average' gym go-er does not need sports supplements. But then again, I think its hard to define the 'average' gym go-er.
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Halb
Original Poster
17,870 posts
52 months
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I don't. I would say the majority of people I see in the gym don't work that hard. The ones that do. It's very noticeable. I see a lot of sugary drinks in the gym. 
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
17 months
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Halb said: I don't. I would say the majority of people I see in the gym don't work that hard. The ones that do. It's very noticeable. I see a lot of sugary drinks in the gym.  Robinson's Fruit and Barley for me - because I sweat like Gary Glitter in a primary school playground, and the barley helps me retain water.
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Tiggsy
7,181 posts
121 months
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I don't buy the gait assessment stuff. After 38 years of all that rubbish and every trainer make out there I went to barefoot trainers. I now (at 17 stone) can run on any surface, any distance with no knee pain, hip pain, Shin splints, nothing! Just happy jogging with healthy feet. I don't wear magic gloves to let my hands do what they are made for... So dont need magic shoes to let my feet work the way nature intended.
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Regiment
1,570 posts
28 months
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Torquey said: Don't agree with half of this s**t.
If you ran 10 mile bare foot or in brogues you will have more injuries than with some asics.
Never understood sugar free drinks since released. They have a point with that. If you run barefoot properly, its healthier than running with shoes. The reason is the impact force is distributed amongst the muscles and pads in the foot with the shock being absorbed by the calfs and thigh muscles. The only problem is running on sharp stones and other debris but that's where shoes like the vibram five fingers comes in. As for the show, I really don't think it said anything that a lot of people didn't already know. The biggest thing that annoyed me about the show is that it didn't cover the biggest problem in the sports supplements business, and that is not does the ingredients do what they're advertised to do but that the ingredients on the side of the tub is actually in the product itself. There was an independent person who purchased a number of protein tubs from different manufacturers and got them tested by an independent lab a month or so back and found that a lot of em contained only a small percentage of the protein they claim.
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Halb
Original Poster
17,870 posts
52 months
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Regiment said: There was an independent person who purchased a number of protein tubs from different manufacturers and got them tested by an independent lab a month or so back and found that a lot of em contained only a small percentage of the protein they claim. Was that brinkzone? http://www.brinkzone.com/
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marcosgt
6,202 posts
45 months
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When I was a kid Lucozade was a compensation for being ill, the way eating ice cream was when they took your tonsils out (does anyone ever have their tonsils removed these days? Seemed half the kids I knew did when I was young).
It's not surprising the programme found lots of hokey 'science' behind the claims, some people want to dodge the hard work and believe than buying produce X or Y will make them fitter, faster, longer (or whatever!) without putting in the training, the big companies just exploit those people's stupidity/laziness.
The talking heads at the gym were great - The number who quote brand after brand and quoted manufacturer claims as fact was eye opening.
More worrying was the kids at the football guzzling down high sugar drinks "because Wayne Rooney does" - Yet another reason to despise professional footballers (as if anyone needed one...). Although judging by fat boy's performance in the Euros, to be fair to him, he may well have spent his suspension guzzling the stuff!
The gait thing was, I thought, a bit of a red herring. No-one's going to run in bare feet (well Zola Budd, but...) and certainly not on city streets! After I broke a knee a lot of my physio was spent correcting my pronation, so I know that's important and if a good trainer can help with that it's got to be good (the same way canting a ski boot will improve your skiing and protect your knee, if you need it).
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Tiggsy
7,181 posts
121 months
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marcosgt said: No-one's going to run in bare feet (well Zola Budd, but...) and certainly not on city streets! I run daily on city streets in barefoot trainers (five fingers or trail gloves) the sole is a few mm of rubber to protect against stones.....but thats it, it's barefoot in every other sense. And more comfy than any trainer I've ever had. Quite funny that nike are getting in on it with the Nike Free....having made up all the BS surrounding foot problems in the first place. Gait analysis.......if you went on Dragons Den for anything like that for another body part they'd laugh you out the place!
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Halb
Original Poster
17,870 posts
52 months
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Tiggsy said: I run daily on city streets in barefoot trainers (five fingers or trail gloves) the sole is a few mm of rubber to protect against stones.....but thats it, it's barefoot in every other sense. And more comfy than any trainer I've ever had. Using my VFFs in the gym has been a brilliant experience. You have a real connection to the floor, like it'as part of you (OK that sounds a bit w  ky) when one wears normal trainers you might has well be walking on sponges. I find them absolutely ace for stuff like bear, squats and presses, just about anything. And thanks to the grip it feels like you are stuck there once you get your stance. They really are quite brilliant.
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Regiment
1,570 posts
28 months
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Halb said: I'm not sure, I don't think it is as I remember it was a younger guy who did it. There was a massive thread on bodybuilding.com and the spokesman from a few of the supplement companies who came in to defend their brands, using "independent labs" that were paid to carry out the tests, were set upon by a massive bunch. Edit: but as someone who is well into my lifting, I don't care if lucazade or glucose or whatever give me a slight boost as long as it contains exactly what it says on the label.
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Tiggsy
7,181 posts
121 months
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Halb said: Tiggsy said: I run daily on city streets in barefoot trainers (five fingers or trail gloves) the sole is a few mm of rubber to protect against stones.....but thats it, it's barefoot in every other sense. And more comfy than any trainer I've ever had. Using my VFFs in the gym has been a brilliant experience. You have a real connection to the floor, like it'as part of you (OK that sounds a bit w  ky) when one wears normal trainers you might has well be walking on sponges. I find them absolutely ace for stuff like bear, squats and presses, just about anything. And thanks to the grip it feels like you are stuck there once you get your stance. They really are quite brilliant. Yep, I was doing leg/plyo stuff last night - hang cleans, kettlebell cleans, dumbell squat jumps, etc.....felt very safe in my VFF
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Regiment
1,570 posts
28 months
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Tiggsy said: Yep, I was doing leg/plyo stuff last night - hang cleans, kettlebell cleans, dumbell squat jumps, etc.....felt very safe in my VFF I used to squat and deadlift barefoot, currently using these little slip on trainers but might go back to barefoot again.
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EDLT
14,583 posts
75 months
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Regiment said: Halb said: I'm not sure, I don't think it is as I remember it was a younger guy who did it. There was a massive thread on bodybuilding.com and the spokesman from a few of the supplement companies who came in to defend their brands, using "independent labs" that were paid to carry out the tests, were set upon by a massive bunch. Edit: but as someone who is well into my lifting, I don't care if lucazade or glucose or whatever give me a slight boost as long as it contains exactly what it says on the label. Wasn't bodybuilding.com fined for selling supplements laced with steroids?
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LordGrover
18,654 posts
81 months
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Regiment said: I used to squat and deadlift barefoot, currently using these little slip on trainers but might go back to barefoot again. Many gyms don't allow barefoot. Summink about nanny states and germs I expect.
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monthefish
15,740 posts
100 months
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JAM35F said: Me, I'm no professional but have managed 5 marathons in the last 10 years, Edinburgh marathon the only one I did this year sadly. Aside from that it's just the gym/running 4 or 5 times a week. Your posts on 'bodybuilding', and the required nourishment to support it, demonstrate that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about (but then again, if running marathons is your thing, then the chances are you have no experience on the subject, so it's hardly a surprise.) 
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ewenm
24,467 posts
114 months
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Tiggsy said: I run daily on city streets in barefoot trainers (five fingers or trail gloves) the sole is a few mm of rubber to protect against stones.....but thats it, it's barefoot in every other sense. And more comfy than any trainer I've ever had.
Quite funny that nike are getting in on it with the Nike Free....having made up all the BS surrounding foot problems in the first place. Gait analysis.......if you went on Dragons Den for anything like that for another body part they'd laugh you out the place! All the major brands have been producing minimalist shoes for years. I got my first pair about 20 years ago. They were known as racing flats back then (and still are now). What you're seeing is the media/marketeers jumping on the bandwagon, not some change of direction from the brands. The original Nike Frees (2004) were available before the first Vibram FFs (2005) too... I'm glad you get on well with your VFFs, but wish you'd stop making stuff up about this big conspiracy.
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Tiggsy
7,181 posts
121 months
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ewenm said: Tiggsy said: I run daily on city streets in barefoot trainers (five fingers or trail gloves) the sole is a few mm of rubber to protect against stones.....but thats it, it's barefoot in every other sense. And more comfy than any trainer I've ever had.
Quite funny that nike are getting in on it with the Nike Free....having made up all the BS surrounding foot problems in the first place. Gait analysis.......if you went on Dragons Den for anything like that for another body part they'd laugh you out the place! All the major brands have been producing minimalist shoes for years. I got my first pair about 20 years ago. They were known as racing flats back then (and still are now). What you're seeing is the media/marketeers jumping on the bandwagon, not some change of direction from the brands. The original Nike Frees (2004) were available before the first Vibram FFs (2005) too... I'm glad you get on well with your VFFs, but wish you'd stop making stuff up about this big conspiracy. Racing flats were not sold for trail/distance running (still arent)
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JAM35F
940 posts
121 months
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monthefish said: JAM35F said: Me, I'm no professional but have managed 5 marathons in the last 10 years, Edinburgh marathon the only one I did this year sadly. Aside from that it's just the gym/running 4 or 5 times a week. Your posts on 'bodybuilding', and the required nourishment to support it, demonstrate that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about (but then again, if running marathons is your thing, then the chances are you have no experience on the subject, so it's hardly a surprise.)  Ah you've appeared so late as it's the school holidays and you've just broken up. Welcome. Don't remember mentioning body building anywhere, just what a gym goer needs. Marathons aren't 'my thing', just one of many sports I do. I'm happy to say I have good all round fitness and am as at home in the weights section of the gym as I am doing cardio. All just my opinion as I said before, feel free to put your point forward politely without effing and jeffing and then we can discuss.
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