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Speckle
1,276 posts
86 months
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Einion Yrth said: Why, just FFS why?
Are there no other sci-fi greats that could do with a movie? Do they NEED to revisit a fairly poor re-imagining of a P.K.D novel (and probably not do it even as well)? So, you'll not be watching it then? ..I will
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r1flyguy1
246 posts
46 months
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I watched it last it last week, enjoyed it, albeit my cinema ticket cost £2, so at that price it's worth watching, Off topic I know but trailers for Superman next year were odd!!! Started off with a fishing boat, I thought it was for 'the perfect storm II' 
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tim2100
6,011 posts
127 months
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Off to see this tonight as cinema has given preview tickets.
Going in with open mind and to see if I enjoy the film, not to compare it to the original.
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hapless
3,334 posts
87 months
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I'm sort of over my remakeophobia now, although I was firmly in its grip for a long time. I'm even getting quite excited about the Robocop remake. I haven't seen this version of Total Recall yet, but it looks like another adaptation of the PKD story, rather than a remake of the earlier film (correct me if I'm wrong and you've seen it) - and I'm quite happy to watch re-adaptations of things. There have been a bunch of solid science fiction films in the last few years, even though Wikipedia's definition of SF is a bit broad. I think we just tend to concentrate on the remakes we notice, because we think there are too many - so it becomes a self-fulfilling complaint. I think there's truth in the earlier comment too: a "remake" comes with some pre-emptive audience recognition, just the same as a book adaptation does. Truly original stories (like Inception, say (although that's not as original as everybody likes to pretend)) are frightening for studios because they cost a lot and they're easy to balls up.
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rhinochopig
16,135 posts
68 months
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Famous Graham said: Zaxxon said: Warhammer 40k, especially The Horus Heresy I doubt the budget required to do it justice would be small enough to have a decent return. Although it's a fantastic IP with great stories and lore, it's just seen too much as "geeky" to give a studio confidence. Hence the rather disappointing CGI film a couple of years ago. Shame it wasn't of this quality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UID6LEzvRRoI have to say though I disagree re the too geeky aspect. A manga animation studio could easily turn out something with widespread appeal and looking excellent too. Take Vexille for example. ETA I note that Starship Troopers is being a given a much needed makeover. All CGI, which is what it really needs TBH, and looks closer to the canon which can only be a good thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3823VO9gG8
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Symbolica
9,035 posts
85 months
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The original is on ITV2 at 22:00 tonight if anybody wants to see it.
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Cock Womble 7
29,908 posts
100 months
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The most important question about the remake is:
Is there a bird with three tits in it?
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Getragdogleg
3,725 posts
53 months
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Cock Womble 7 said: The most important question about the remake is:
Is there a bird with three tits in it? Keep up at the back. D-angle said:
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Pesty
26,137 posts
126 months
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MissChief
1,167 posts
38 months
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Watched this a couple of days ago and while it's pretty harmless I did quite enjoy it. Certainly worth a watch and even though it's nowhere near as violent there are a few nods to the original.
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5potTurbo
3,341 posts
38 months
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Went to see the remake last night. I thought it was OK, nods to the original, but quite a way from the original back story of having air on Mars. Still, Kate & Jessica looked good, and the 3 boob'd girl was there too, so it's not all bad. 
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DJRC
20,115 posts
106 months
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rhinochopig said: ETA I note that Starship Troopers is being a given a much needed makeover. All CGI, which is what it really needs TBH, and looks closer to the canon which can only be a good thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3823VO9gG8What?? Starship Troopers was a brilliant B movie/lads night beer n pizza movie!!
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Pesty
26,137 posts
126 months
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Starship troupers is an awesome film.
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rhinochopig
16,135 posts
68 months
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It's dire. It's like a one of these s  te teenage pretty people soaps that the US turn out, but in space. The book that it's based on is nothing like that. It's a very gritty, very realistic sci-fi, that trys to predict the future of combat and presents some very challenging ideas about fascism becoming the norm for society. It was THE book that kicked off the exo-skeleton (power) armour genre. All of this was ignored by the film, which became a cheesy tongue in cheek sci-fi with reasonable SFX. Would you like to know more?
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Arun_D
1,691 posts
65 months
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Same director for Starship Troopers and the original Total Recall. Didn't know that.
That original Starship Troopers book sounds well worth a read, thanks. And I generally 'don't do' fiction!
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vixen1700
6,588 posts
140 months
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I loved Starship Troopers, saw it at the flicks just before its release and having no knowledge at all about it, and I just loved it, totally blew me away. Didn't know about the old book though, so ta, that's just been ordered from Amazon.
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papercup
2,035 posts
89 months
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rhinochopig said: It's dire. It's like a one of these s te teenage pretty people soaps that the US turn out, but in space. The book that it's based on is nothing like that. It's a very gritty, very realistic sci-fi, that trys to predict the future of combat and presents some very challenging ideas about fascism becoming the norm for society. It was THE book that kicked off the exo-skeleton (power) armour genre. All of this was ignored by the film, which became a cheesy tongue in cheek sci-fi with reasonable SFX. Would you like to know more?You missed the point of that film completely then. Its Verhoeven; he makes satire. Starship Troopers was a cutting look at american foreign policy, military arrogance and closed-world xenophobia. Its cheesy beyond belief, but played straight. Worth watching just for the jaw-dropping sight of Doogie Howser shooting a 'bug', aiming 'for the brain stem, and make sure it stays down for good' and glaring at the camera like a lunatic afterwards. Best of all is him sweeping into the room later in the film dressed like an SS officer in rubber and loudly proclaiming 'WE'RE IN THIS FOR THE SPECIES PEOPLE. ITS SIMPLE NUMBERS; THEY HAVE MORE', all with a straight face. Best of all? It took the piss out of the yanks and used their own money to do it. Same as Robocop, his first 'hollywood' film, which satirised american corporate culture and their media, with its anchor-driven 'News Break' and the tongue-in-cheek adverts. I miss action films like that; they had some depth. All these remakes are vacuous, lightweight crap which try to mask their weak storylines with special effects. Come back Verhoeven, you are sorely missed.
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Pesty
26,137 posts
126 months
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vixen1700
6,588 posts
140 months
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papercup said: Best of all? It took the piss out of the yanks and used their own money to do it. Same as Robocop, his first 'hollywood' film, which satirised american corporate culture and their media, with its anchor-driven 'News Break' and the tongue-in-cheek adverts.
I miss action films like that; they had some depth. All these remakes are vacuous, lightweight crap which try to mask their weak storylines with special effects.
Come back Verhoeven, you are sorely missed. Absolutely, I do miss films like Robocop & Starship Troopers with their satire, I was sorely hoping Iron Sky was going to be another one like that to add to the list, but it just fell totally flat and was s t. Was looking forward to it so much too. 
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rhinochopig
16,135 posts
68 months
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papercup said: rhinochopig said: It's dire. It's like a one of these s te teenage pretty people soaps that the US turn out, but in space. The book that it's based on is nothing like that. It's a very gritty, very realistic sci-fi, that trys to predict the future of combat and presents some very challenging ideas about fascism becoming the norm for society. It was THE book that kicked off the exo-skeleton (power) armour genre. All of this was ignored by the film, which became a cheesy tongue in cheek sci-fi with reasonable SFX. Would you like to know more?You missed the point of that film completely then. Its Verhoeven; he makes satire. Starship Troopers was a cutting look at american foreign policy, military arrogance and closed-world xenophobia. Its cheesy beyond belief, but played straight. Worth watching just for the jaw-dropping sight of Doogie Howser shooting a 'bug', aiming 'for the brain stem, and make sure it stays down for good' and glaring at the camera like a lunatic afterwards. Best of all is him sweeping into the room later in the film dressed like an SS officer in rubber and loudly proclaiming 'WE'RE IN THIS FOR THE SPECIES PEOPLE. ITS SIMPLE NUMBERS; THEY HAVE MORE', all with a straight face. Best of all? It took the piss out of the yanks and used their own money to do it. Same as Robocop, his first 'hollywood' film, which satirised american corporate culture and their media, with its anchor-driven 'News Break' and the tongue-in-cheek adverts. I miss action films like that; they had some depth. All these remakes are vacuous, lightweight crap which try to mask their weak storylines with special effects. Come back Verhoeven, you are sorely missed. I didn't miss the point at all. I get that. The film is still s te though, and made worse by his choice of vehicle in which to take the piss. The book is a seminal Sci-Fi work, and Verhoeven shat all over it was his poor attempts at 'satire'. If he'd wanted to poke fun at American foreign policy then he should have written a film to do so, because the book is far more subtle than Verhoevens clunking derivative efforts. It raises some interesting questions WRT to what responsibilities people have as citizens of a country, and conversely what responsibilities the state has for their citizens, all of which are lost in the film. He also abandons the key theme of the book; big f k-off powered armour turning your average squaddie into ‘able to leap tall buildings in a single bound’ supermen, which would have made it a far more exciting and unique film; instead he ripped off the look of Cameron’s colonial marines. It's akin to Kubrick turning 2001 into a comedy. I stand by my original point that it’s s te.
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