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kev1974 said:
Although the stupid hi-viz jackets are new, the use of POLITE instead of POLICE isn't ... I remember signs along the lines of POLITE NOTICE - NO PARKING HERE decades ago. She hasn't invented something new with that POLITE business, just stuck it on clothing.
It's not just Polite, but the banding etc which is clearly looking like police markings.Getting back to the photo booths. Without being able to have a funny background or made to look like something else for a bit of a laugh, what is the difference to taking the photo from a phone and posting it on the web? The only thing I could see different would be a logo on the print of the place you were having it taken, that's not worth £650 a week is it??
mgtony said:
Getting back to the photo booths. Without being able to have a funny background or made to look like something else for a bit of a laugh, what is the difference to taking the photo from a phone and posting it on the web? The only thing I could see different would be a logo on the print of the place you were having it taken, that's not worth £650 a week is it??
My logic fail for that idea was a simple one - most people have smart phones that can take a "selfie" and then upload it to their facebook page in seconds.... Why would they pay for the booth?Jasandjules said:
mgtony said:
Getting back to the photo booths. Without being able to have a funny background or made to look like something else for a bit of a laugh, what is the difference to taking the photo from a phone and posting it on the web? The only thing I could see different would be a logo on the print of the place you were having it taken, that's not worth £650 a week is it??
My logic fail for that idea was a simple one - most people have smart phones that can take a "selfie" and then upload it to their facebook page in seconds.... Why would they pay for the booth?- logo on photo if you REALLY feel you need that
- don't need anyone to take the picture for you/have a selfie arm shot
But other than that this is exactly what millions of people do all day every day with their phones, so no, can't see a significant market? But what do I know, I don't drink alcopops
CAPP0 said:
Jasandjules said:
mgtony said:
Getting back to the photo booths. Without being able to have a funny background or made to look like something else for a bit of a laugh, what is the difference to taking the photo from a phone and posting it on the web? The only thing I could see different would be a logo on the print of the place you were having it taken, that's not worth £650 a week is it??
My logic fail for that idea was a simple one - most people have smart phones that can take a "selfie" and then upload it to their facebook page in seconds.... Why would they pay for the booth?- logo on photo if you REALLY feel you need that
- don't need anyone to take the picture for you/have a selfie arm shot
But other than that this is exactly what millions of people do all day every day with their phones, so no, can't see a significant market? But what do I know, I don't drink alcopops
As soon as it is money operated (which means less people will use it and when they don't like the photo, will kick the hell out of it) it will make it target for thieves who will run off with it looking like Dom Jolly!
The Moose said:
What I don't understand is why this technology is being built into the bulb. Why not build it into the switch unit and just replace that. It'd give many more realistic options for people.
I'd say a significant majority of people would be uncomfortable / unable to replace a light switch, whereas screwing in a bulb is a simple thing that most people do regularly anyway. miniman said:
The Moose said:
What I don't understand is why this technology is being built into the bulb. Why not build it into the switch unit and just replace that. It'd give many more realistic options for people.
I'd say a significant majority of people would be uncomfortable / unable to replace a light switch, whereas screwing in a bulb is a simple thing that most people do regularly anyway. The Moose said:
Obviously I understand that but assuming the switches were £20 each (like the bulbs), an average house would need I don't know - 10 switches. So £200 on materials and £100 on installation by an electrician. I bet there's more than 15 bulbs in the average home...
How are you going to get different colours of light just by upgrading a switch? The wiring from switch to bulb is generally just a single loop and it either carries current (switch/dimmer on) or it doesn't (switch/dimmer off). You would have to change all that wiring (add extra cores) to get much more than off/dim/on to happen.Having the intelligence in the bulb means you can do all the dimming / colour / fancy effects (and have different results on different bulbs in the same switch circuit) without having to do anything at all about the physical wiring.
Nothing wrong with the bulbs that he was pitching, all that was wrong with his pitch was that there are countless competitor intelligent bulb products, and there have been, with varying degrees of features, for years.
kev1974 said:
The Moose said:
Obviously I understand that but assuming the switches were £20 each (like the bulbs), an average house would need I don't know - 10 switches. So £200 on materials and £100 on installation by an electrician. I bet there's more than 15 bulbs in the average home...
How are you going to get different colours of light just by upgrading a switch? The wiring from switch to bulb is generally just a single loop and it either carries current (switch/dimmer on) or it doesn't (switch/dimmer off). You would have to change all that wiring (add extra cores) to get much more than off/dim/on to happen.Having the intelligence in the bulb means you can do all the dimming / colour / fancy effects (and have different results on different bulbs in the same switch circuit) without having to do anything at all about the physical wiring.
Nothing wrong with the bulbs that he was pitching, all that was wrong with his pitch was that there are countless competitor intelligent bulb products, and there have been, with varying degrees of features, for years.
What I'm suggesting is the ability to turn the lights on/off (and dim if wired for it) without having to spend a s
t load on bulbs.Having the intelligence in the bulb means you're going to be replicating that intelligence multiple times over which isn't required. You also have an issue where by if you have a slightly unusual light fitting, you may not find a bulb, or as I have seen, those bulbs are too bulky for some light units. By having the switch manage it all, you keep the costs down and have greater flexibility of who and where it can be used.
For most people, if you could have the switches installed for not a huge sum of money then it'd be much more likely to bring it to the majority of people.
The Moose said:
kev1974 said:
The Moose said:
Obviously I understand that but assuming the switches were £20 each (like the bulbs), an average house would need I don't know - 10 switches. So £200 on materials and £100 on installation by an electrician. I bet there's more than 15 bulbs in the average home...
How are you going to get different colours of light just by upgrading a switch? The wiring from switch to bulb is generally just a single loop and it either carries current (switch/dimmer on) or it doesn't (switch/dimmer off). You would have to change all that wiring (add extra cores) to get much more than off/dim/on to happen.Having the intelligence in the bulb means you can do all the dimming / colour / fancy effects (and have different results on different bulbs in the same switch circuit) without having to do anything at all about the physical wiring.
Nothing wrong with the bulbs that he was pitching, all that was wrong with his pitch was that there are countless competitor intelligent bulb products, and there have been, with varying degrees of features, for years.
The Moose said:
What I'm suggesting is the ability to turn the lights on/off (and dim if wired for it) without having to spend a st load on bulbs.
Having the intelligence in the bulb means you're going to be replicating that intelligence multiple times over which isn't required. You also have an issue where by if you have a slightly unusual light fitting, you may not find a bulb, or as I have seen, those bulbs are too bulky for some light units. By having the switch manage it all, you keep the costs down and have greater flexibility of who and where it can be used.
For most people, if you could have the switches installed for not a huge sum of money then it'd be much more likely to bring it to the majority of people.
I know what you're saying but as I've said just changing the switches is a non-starter, you simply cannot do what these bulbs do, over one loop of wire that 99.999% of people have between their existing switches and the lamp fittings or even table lights, unless you introduce really complicated (=expensive and troublesome) signalling layered over the mains frequency, that wiring would have to change to do anything more than off/dim/on type stuff, there is just no way that ordinary household lighting circuit wiring will cope with colour change stuff.t load on bulbs.Having the intelligence in the bulb means you're going to be replicating that intelligence multiple times over which isn't required. You also have an issue where by if you have a slightly unusual light fitting, you may not find a bulb, or as I have seen, those bulbs are too bulky for some light units. By having the switch manage it all, you keep the costs down and have greater flexibility of who and where it can be used.
For most people, if you could have the switches installed for not a huge sum of money then it'd be much more likely to bring it to the majority of people.
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