New series of Grand Designs
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MiniMan64 said:
Pesty said:
Oh ffs
why make the f
king programme if its not finished you tt.
Its not a show without the money shot.
I wonder if the GD production team had a feeling that it was never going to be done so just get it shown now.why make the f
king programme if its not finished you tt.Its not a show without the money shot.
On the other hand it'll make a fantastic Revisited.
Trouble is, this episode showed that the bloke is a bit of a nut job and probably not best placed to be trusted with such a great sum of money.
I predict a re-visited in a few years though one way or another.......
Anybody who lent that fkwit large sums of money needed their heads examined. Who could trust him?
Its all been said on this thread, so hardly worth repeating. Romanticism and ambition are fine but anyone who treats the construction process with this much contempt, and assumes that design can be done on the hoof and 'work' is a retard and certain to end up in the manure.
What surprises me is how Kevin, and Sean's project team didn't realise it earlier. Or is it that he was the only guy in Ireland or maybe even the British Isles actually doing a large residential project?
Incidentally, is there not a problem with buying Irish property in that you then become liable to some kind of massive Irish Property Tax? That's going to encourage the investors, for sure.
kwit large sums of money needed their heads examined. Who could trust him?Its all been said on this thread, so hardly worth repeating. Romanticism and ambition are fine but anyone who treats the construction process with this much contempt, and assumes that design can be done on the hoof and 'work' is a retard and certain to end up in the manure.
What surprises me is how Kevin, and Sean's project team didn't realise it earlier. Or is it that he was the only guy in Ireland or maybe even the British Isles actually doing a large residential project?
Incidentally, is there not a problem with buying Irish property in that you then become liable to some kind of massive Irish Property Tax? That's going to encourage the investors, for sure.
Edited by cardigankid on Thursday 13th September 18:46
cardigankid said:
Anybody who lent that fkwit large sums of money needed their heads examined. Who could trust him?
Its all been said on this thread, so hardly worth repeating. Romanticism and ambition are fine but anyone who treats the construction process with this much contempt, and assumes that design can be done on the hoof and 'work' is a retard and certain to end up in the manure.
What surprises me is how Kevin, and Sean's project team didn't realise it earlier. Or is it that he was the only guy in Ireland or maybe even the British Isles actually doing a large residential project?
Incidentally, is there not a problem with buying Irish property in that you then become liable to some kind of massive Irish Property Tax? That's going to encourage the investors, for sure.
You can never count the other guy's money. For all we know he might be worth £20m, and easily be able to handle the repayments.kwit large sums of money needed their heads examined. Who could trust him?Its all been said on this thread, so hardly worth repeating. Romanticism and ambition are fine but anyone who treats the construction process with this much contempt, and assumes that design can be done on the hoof and 'work' is a retard and certain to end up in the manure.
What surprises me is how Kevin, and Sean's project team didn't realise it earlier. Or is it that he was the only guy in Ireland or maybe even the British Isles actually doing a large residential project?
Incidentally, is there not a problem with buying Irish property in that you then become liable to some kind of massive Irish Property Tax? That's going to encourage the investors, for sure.
Edited by cardigankid on Thursday 13th September 18:46
The world went a little bit mad whilst this was being filmed, especially so in Ireland.
If he wants to be a nightmare client, that's his prerogative. As long as his lads are being paid by the day, what do they care if he comes in at the weekend and knocks things down?
I wouldn't be surprised if he can't finish it and has to sell as it is.
This economic downturn is not over yet and I can't see the banks lending him the money to finish this project in the future.
Meanwhile, he still has to pay the interest on the 600k loan he already has, on an assest which is still depreciating!
This economic downturn is not over yet and I can't see the banks lending him the money to finish this project in the future.
Meanwhile, he still has to pay the interest on the 600k loan he already has, on an assest which is still depreciating!
Grandad Gaz said:
I wouldn't be surprised if he can't finish it and has to sell as it is.
This economic downturn is not over yet and I can't see the banks lending him the money to finish this project in the future.
Meanwhile, he still has to pay the interest on the 600k loan he already has, on an assest which is still depreciating!
I very much doubt he is paying anything - 20% of Irish mortgages in default or arrears...yes, 20%. Rate of repossession still 1/13 of that in Northern Ireland - we have a historical thing about evictions....This economic downturn is not over yet and I can't see the banks lending him the money to finish this project in the future.
Meanwhile, he still has to pay the interest on the 600k loan he already has, on an assest which is still depreciating!
wormburner said:
If he wants to be a nightmare client, that's his prerogative. As long as his lads are being paid by the day, what do they care if he comes in at the weekend and knocks things down?
In my experience when a bank employs a QS to keep a close eye on their money it's highly unlikely that they'll agree to trades being employed under a day rate - it leaves things far too loose and makes the banks very nervous that the money is being frittered away.What he did has knock-ons all over the place - you've got to alter the M&E 1st fix (and, if you're lucky, that's all otherwise you've got to reco-ordinate all the other trades), sort out (and pay for) additional materials and disposal, you've got guys sitting around burning preliminaries and programme whilst he works out what he wants and a looming claim for loss and/or extension.
That's what they care.
sleep envy said:
In my experience when a bank employs a QS to keep a close eye on their money it's highly unlikely that they'll agree to trades being employed under a day rate - it leaves things far too loose and makes the banks very nervous that the money is being frittered away.
What he did has knock-ons all over the place - you've got to alter the M&E 1st fix (and, if you're lucky, that's all otherwise you've got to reco-ordinate all the other trades), sort out (and pay for) additional materials and disposal, you've got guys sitting around burning preliminaries and programme whilst he works out what he wants and a looming claim for loss and/or extension.
That's what they care.
interesting, thanksWhat he did has knock-ons all over the place - you've got to alter the M&E 1st fix (and, if you're lucky, that's all otherwise you've got to reco-ordinate all the other trades), sort out (and pay for) additional materials and disposal, you've got guys sitting around burning preliminaries and programme whilst he works out what he wants and a looming claim for loss and/or extension.
That's what they care.
Your point is that so long as he pays the bills, who cares what idiotic things he does.
Yes, but as Sleep Envy has also suggested, there is a bank involved, who these days are unlikely to allow their money to be spent in this manner (though with prestigeous clients it is surprising how long it can take them to cotton on.) Added to that, doing things without adequate information, taking stuff down on a whim and putting it back up again, and being treated with contempt, will usually hack off quality trades people to the point where they don't want to be involved. The project will then be staffed by the dross, the lead-swingers and of course the claims surveyors.
If the client is a Roman Abramovich, and is happy to keep signing cheques forever, it might continue for a while, but I suspect that a Roman Abramovich would not set about things in such an unprofessional manner. In the real world, a project conducted like this will ALWAYS end in disaster and probably also bankruptcy.
Sean is obviously one of these guys who has done well in a candyfloss profession where talk is all that matters. He clearly came to think that a little patter and charm would see him through anything. If you have met guys like this before, and I have, you recognise them after ten minutes conversation, you shake their hand, wish them well and walk away.
I trust that he has seen the error of his ways by now.
It was interesting that he got a theatre set designer doing sketches for him latterly. I suspect he was the guy who came up with the design for the high level wall. He is not a building professional, of course, but a number of capable designers, like AWN Pugin and Christian Jank (the man who designed Neuschwanstein for Ludwig II - ending it has to be said in madness bankruptcy and suicide) were or started as theatre set designers.
Even so, without a pro of some kind to pull it together, it was doomed from the start, and you could tell after 5 minutes on air where it was going to end.
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Yes, but as Sleep Envy has also suggested, there is a bank involved, who these days are unlikely to allow their money to be spent in this manner (though with prestigeous clients it is surprising how long it can take them to cotton on.) Added to that, doing things without adequate information, taking stuff down on a whim and putting it back up again, and being treated with contempt, will usually hack off quality trades people to the point where they don't want to be involved. The project will then be staffed by the dross, the lead-swingers and of course the claims surveyors.
If the client is a Roman Abramovich, and is happy to keep signing cheques forever, it might continue for a while, but I suspect that a Roman Abramovich would not set about things in such an unprofessional manner. In the real world, a project conducted like this will ALWAYS end in disaster and probably also bankruptcy.
Sean is obviously one of these guys who has done well in a candyfloss profession where talk is all that matters. He clearly came to think that a little patter and charm would see him through anything. If you have met guys like this before, and I have, you recognise them after ten minutes conversation, you shake their hand, wish them well and walk away.
I trust that he has seen the error of his ways by now.
It was interesting that he got a theatre set designer doing sketches for him latterly. I suspect he was the guy who came up with the design for the high level wall. He is not a building professional, of course, but a number of capable designers, like AWN Pugin and Christian Jank (the man who designed Neuschwanstein for Ludwig II - ending it has to be said in madness bankruptcy and suicide) were or started as theatre set designers.
Even so, without a pro of some kind to pull it together, it was doomed from the start, and you could tell after 5 minutes on air where it was going to end.
[corrected for accuracy]
Edited by cardigankid on Tuesday 18th September 08:23
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