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Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Halb said:
Well I'm still only referencing Luke and the good trilogy. In those films, Jedis were make-believe mostly. Stories.
Even if one accepts the sty trilogy, the WW2 reference doesn't take affect, unless the NAZIs had won and then eradicated all references to Jews. Like in the film, Fatherland. So still works.
Anakin and the Jedi are still within living memory, even in Luke's time I don't really buy that in a couple of decades everyone dismisses the Jedi as urban myths. If you were around during an age were miraculous people used magic to do impossible things, would you forget it in a hurry?

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Guvernator said:
Anakin and the Jedi are still within living memory, even in Luke's time I don't really buy that in a couple of decades everyone dismisses the Jedi as urban myths. If you were around during an age were miraculous people used magic to do impossible things, would you forget it in a hurry?
I think someone said above, in an Empire of 100,000s worlds, trillions of people, there are only 10,000 jedi or so? And they're a pretty secretive lot.

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Guvernator said:
Halb said:
Well I'm still only referencing Luke and the good trilogy. In those films, Jedis were make-believe mostly. Stories.
Even if one accepts the sty trilogy, the WW2 reference doesn't take affect, unless the NAZIs had won and then eradicated all references to Jews. Like in the film, Fatherland. So still works.
Anakin and the Jedi are still within living memory, even in Luke's time I don't really buy that in a couple of decades everyone dismisses the Jedi as urban myths. If you were around during an age were miraculous people used magic to do impossible things, would you forget it in a hurry?
Not to mention there was a galactic wide blood testing programme of kids for midi-chlorians. I think everyone would remember stuff like that happening!

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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London424 said:
Not to mention there was a galactic wide blood testing programme of kids for midi-chlorians. I think everyone would remember stuff like that happening!
There was?

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Guvernator said:
Halb said:
Well I'm still only referencing Luke and the good trilogy. In those films, Jedis were make-believe mostly. Stories.
Even if one accepts the sty trilogy, the WW2 reference doesn't take affect, unless the NAZIs had won and then eradicated all references to Jews. Like in the film, Fatherland. So still works.
Anakin and the Jedi are still within living memory, even in Luke's time I don't really buy that in a couple of decades everyone dismisses the Jedi as urban myths. If you were around during an age were miraculous people used magic to do impossible things, would you forget it in a hurry?
The galaxy's a big place. Maybe communication between planets is slow, something on a par with countries on earth during, say, the Georgian or Victorian times, or even earlier. If you lived in some backwater of the Empire you might not hear about things for years, if at all.

kowalski655

14,599 posts

142 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Halb said:
London424 said:
Not to mention there was a galactic wide blood testing programme of kids for midi-chlorians. I think everyone would remember stuff like that happening!
There was?
No idea if Ep 1 said that but that could easily be explained away as a routine test for Space-Flu,or something

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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So faster than light ships but no intergalactic news service in the future, not to mention a big Jedi temple in the middle of the capital city of the Republic which everyone on that planet seemed to know about so not THAT secretive. Not dismissing it as I and I can understand why they'd want to use it as an interesting plot device, I'm just saying it's a bit of a stretch.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Guvernator said:
So faster than light ships but no intergalactic news service in the future, not to mention a big Jedi temple in the middle of the capital city of the Republic which everyone on that planet seemed to know about so not THAT secretive. Not dismissing it as I and I can understand why they'd want to use it as an interesting plot device, I'm just saying it's a bit of a stretch.
OK, a stretch, but some more reasoning. biggrin
Obviously they exist, I didn't say it was a secret organisation, I said it was a secretive. Jedis do stuff and people are surprised, or probably don't notice, a lot of their power is misdirection and mind-influencing. Nobody believed Vader could do owt in the first film, hence the backchat, and as said, even Moff seemed intrigued by Vader's lil stunt...and he's known the guy for 20 years. biggrin
I have a feeling Corscuant would be like Berlin or Moscow. biggrin

Luke mouthed off a lot because he was like a kid given the powers of Father Xmas. biggrin

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Halb said:
London424 said:
Not to mention there was a galactic wide blood testing programme of kids for midi-chlorians. I think everyone would remember stuff like that happening!
There was?
Yep. It's why those prequels fked up the story big time.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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London424 said:
Yep. It's why those prequels fked up the story big time.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian
Don't get me started on Midi-chlorians, so you take this wonderful mystical force....and turn it into an STD, way to go George you utter muppet. Out of all the explanations they could have gone with, that's the best they can come up with. Did it even need explaining, what was wrong with it's just magic?

v8250

2,724 posts

210 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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I like the concept of 1000's of midi-chlorians living inside each of our cells. I remember seeing the first Star Wars film in February 1978 at the ripe old age of 11 years, it was the stuff that dreams are made of for one of such an impressionable age...and I've been an ardent fan ever since. So, midi-chlorians or not, a few weeks ago I booked tickets for the whole family to view Episode VII en masse on the 22nd December...and I can't wait as I'm as excited now as I was back in the winter of '77/78...all 39 years ago, in a Galaxy far, far away!

PS I keep hearing rumours that Luke's gone the way of his father. If so, that will be one serious turn of plot.



Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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v8250 said:
...in a Galaxy far, far away!
There's an interesting meme on fb.
ET's race is in the prequels, and ET probably has the force, and seems to recognise Yoda's race.
So the galaxy is ours...
Threepio and Artoo are on a hieroglyph in Raiders, so would need to be in recent memory...so only 1000's of years ago.
hehe


And if Luke has turned bad...then I'll probably turn away from the franchise like I did after the last lot, and just think of the series as a trilogy.

Guvernator

13,104 posts

164 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Halb said:
And if Luke has turned bad...then I'll probably turn away from the franchise like I did after the last lot, and just think of the series as a trilogy.
Yep I have to agree. I'd like to think saner heads at Disney would have stopped such a stupid idea cold but there is often this desire to make things "edgy" and "dark" because all the cool kids are doing it which may lead them down this path (to the dark side). I really really hope they haven't though as it would be a BIG mistake IMO. Luke literally walked through fire to turn away from the Dark Side so to throw that all away for shock factor would be the height of stupidity.

richtea78

5,574 posts

157 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Not necessarily. There are lots of ways he could turn to the Dark Side and deal with it in a convincing way.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Guvernator said:
So faster than light ships but no intergalactic news service in the future, not to mention a big Jedi temple in the middle of the capital city of the Republic which everyone on that planet seemed to know about so not THAT secretive. Not dismissing it as I and I can understand why they'd want to use it as an interesting plot device, I'm just saying it's a bit of a stretch.
Even in epIV the Jedi were considered nothing more than a minority cult/religion as evidenced by Motti's remarks to Vader.

"Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes..."

Also - even though Luke appears to have heard about the clone wars and Jedi - his knowledge seems to have been extremely limited, probably just rumours and hearsay - and he appears to have no knowledge of the force - never having heard of it.



Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Another thing to consider. We don't know who has been in charge in the intervening years - just because the rebels 'won' it doesn't follow that they did or even could take control of the empire.

Yes the galaxy may have a global news network - but as here on earth - you only really learn what the news channels want you to hear. There may have been a significant amount of disinformation and propaganda regarding what really transpired.

robemcdonald

8,716 posts

195 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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It is possible for something to disappear to rumour and legend in a generation. There are plenty of countries around the world that have a single news agency and just believe the party line. What about the Internet? You say. Well isn't that censored in some places? Also the state news agency just needs to spin it all as lies.
That and the fact that it is just a film....
It really helps if you ignore the prequels as well.

krunchkin

2,209 posts

140 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Harrison Ford quoted as saying he "loves" the film. Which worries me that he likes it because he gets the ending he always wanted frown

LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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hmm, something to be dismissed as legend or folklore in only a few generations? scratchchin

That's no moon (landing)

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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People are very good at ignoring (utterly) what their brain can't handle.