Discussion
richtea78 said:
Not at all. They've had to rewrite significant bits based on people's reactions to both Daisy Ridley and the guy who plays Finn
Rey has apparently gone down really well, as has Poe and Finn so they're re-writing to make more of them and their history and relationships.
Hmm, but at the expense of what? Luke?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Episode-8...
I hope not.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Episode-8...
I hope not.
London424 said:
By moving to Xmas they're now going head to head with Avatar 2. I doubt they would have done that by choice. I'm guessing one of those films moves.
Avatar 2 has been delayed with no new release date. This doesn't appear to be in response to Star Wars VIII. Instead it appears to be open secret in Hollywood that Avatar 2 isn't going to be ready so Disney knew they wouldn't be going up against it.The way Ridley and Boyeka have been received means they have apparently been written more into the second film. I read online somewhere that the intention was more transition with the 2nd with the new ones in the 3rd film. As the new ones were so popular they are upping them in the 2nd film. There was the potential to leave Boyeka in hospital for most of the 2nd film but he won't be doing that now.
It's a lot of speculation but it was from the same source as was right about a lot of the first film apparently.
It could also be b
ks but who knows. Lots of these things have a grain of truth mixed up with a lot of speculation
It's a lot of speculation but it was from the same source as was right about a lot of the first film apparently.
It could also be b
ks but who knows. Lots of these things have a grain of truth mixed up with a lot of speculation Ali_T said:
The new cast stole the show, and that surprised me. The casting director deserves a raise!
You weren't watching the same film as me then... Harrison Ford stole every scene he was in.Ridley was good, Boyeka, ok, but less well developed as an idea, no fault of the actor, in my view though, but there's scope there to build him into a good character. Poe didn't seem a well developed character at all. I assumed as soon as he gave BB8 the map he was toast and it seemed that way after the crash until he reappeared near the end with a hokey explanation (was that the work of focus groups perhaps?). Although he played a major part in the finale, that didn't really need to be him at all!
The film? Well, it looked good - from the shakey overlayed text at the beginning to the Death Star battle at the end, it was clearly done with someone with a good feel for the original trilogy and a desire to reproduce and enhance that for the 21st Century - but far too many scenes lifted almost 1:1 from the original film, imo.
It did, however, have a few great moments.
7/10 from me - Better than the prequels, not a patch on 4 and 5. It was fun, but so was Abram's first Star Trek and the second wasn't so good..
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Edited by marcosgt on Sunday 24th January 20:53
Saw it the other day and I enjoyed it. It was clearly handled with far more respect, care and attention than the prequels.
The parallels to the originals were a bit disappointing. A few subtle nods is one thing but some scenes were just lifted wholesale.
The death-star 2.0 was also a bit too ridiculous. How would it ever be possible to build something like that? And the way it "charged up" made absolutely no sense.
Nevertheless, it was good, honest fun with a decent villain, lots of poorly aimed pew pews and some decent characters.
The parallels to the originals were a bit disappointing. A few subtle nods is one thing but some scenes were just lifted wholesale.
The death-star 2.0 was also a bit too ridiculous. How would it ever be possible to build something like that? And the way it "charged up" made absolutely no sense.
Nevertheless, it was good, honest fun with a decent villain, lots of poorly aimed pew pews and some decent characters.
durbster said:
Saw it the other day and I enjoyed it. It was clearly handled with far more respect, care and attention than the prequels.
The parallels to the originals were a bit disappointing. A few subtle nods is one thing but some scenes were just lifted wholesale.
The death-star 2.0 was also a bit too ridiculous. How would it ever be possible to build something like that? And the way it "charged up" made absolutely no sense.
Nevertheless, it was good, honest fun with a decent villain, lots of poorly aimed pew pews and some decent characters.
You can suspend belief only so far, and this film required FARRR too much.The parallels to the originals were a bit disappointing. A few subtle nods is one thing but some scenes were just lifted wholesale.
The death-star 2.0 was also a bit too ridiculous. How would it ever be possible to build something like that? And the way it "charged up" made absolutely no sense.
Nevertheless, it was good, honest fun with a decent villain, lots of poorly aimed pew pews and some decent characters.
That Death Star 3, made by 'The First Order', which was in essence a small uprising to the New Republic, just 25-30 years after the Rebellion crushed the Empire (Emporer and Vader did the trick)
The Death Star 1 and Death Star 2, made by the full might of the galactic empire over years, with years of planning. And something much bigger and more powerful is made by a small rebellion (what The First Order really are FFS!) of followers of the dark side in a similar time-frame. Hmmmmm.
Then when the Republic do attack, they have no army, just a few X-wings? Surely they'd have a small fraction of the chunk of the forces used through to the end of SW VI. Those armies were loyal to the Republic until Palpatine took over. Why would such vast forces not just fall back under the Republic's control? I agree they'd probably disband a huge amount, but all of them? Keeping just a few old X-wings?
Even back in the EP1 there is a huge Trade Federation and significant sized per-planet armies to call upon. Cripes, the entire Clone Armies are required just to fight the Trade Federation.
It's really REALLY hard to believe the galaxy would shrink so much after SW VI, and no one would own spaceships with guns any more... and the only people who do, are the leaders of a massive Republic with 20 X-wings, and the rebellious First Order have just a few ships too, but also one PLANET SIZED weapon that can destroy entire solar systems with one shot, that no one cares about until it's already blown everything up!
They say never go full retard, but SW VII went full retard with it's story line.
The overly snooty British accents on the First Order minions was the perfect icing on the cake
If the story made sense I'd be happier, the film in isolation was kinda ok, but as a continuation from SDW VI it was completely dire!
Mr Whippy said:
You can suspend belief only so far, and this film required FARRR too much.
That Death Star 3, made by 'The First Order', which was in essence a small uprising to the New Republic, just 25-30 years after the Rebellion crushed the Empire (Emporer and Vader did the trick)
The Death Star 1 and Death Star 2, made by the full might of the galactic empire over years, with years of planning. And something much bigger and more powerful is made by a small rebellion (what The First Order really are FFS!) of followers of the dark side in a similar time-frame. Hmmmmm.
Then when the Republic do attack, they have no army, just a few X-wings? Surely they'd have a small fraction of the chunk of the forces used through to the end of SW VI. Those armies were loyal to the Republic until Palpatine took over. Why would such vast forces not just fall back under the Republic's control? I agree they'd probably disband a huge amount, but all of them? Keeping just a few old X-wings?
Even back in the EP1 there is a huge Trade Federation and significant sized per-planet armies to call upon. Cripes, the entire Clone Armies are required just to fight the Trade Federation.
It's really REALLY hard to believe the galaxy would shrink so much after SW VI, and no one would own spaceships with guns any more... and the only people who do, are the leaders of a massive Republic with 20 X-wings, and the rebellious First Order have just a few ships too, but also one PLANET SIZED weapon that can destroy entire solar systems with one shot, that no one cares about until it's already blown everything up!
They say never go full retard, but SW VII went full retard with it's story line.
The overly snooty British accents on the First Order minions was the perfect icing on the cake
If the story made sense I'd be happier, the film in isolation was kinda ok, but as a continuation from SDW VI it was completely dire!
I think the problem is that they did not provide enough information in the film itself on the political situation.That Death Star 3, made by 'The First Order', which was in essence a small uprising to the New Republic, just 25-30 years after the Rebellion crushed the Empire (Emporer and Vader did the trick)
The Death Star 1 and Death Star 2, made by the full might of the galactic empire over years, with years of planning. And something much bigger and more powerful is made by a small rebellion (what The First Order really are FFS!) of followers of the dark side in a similar time-frame. Hmmmmm.
Then when the Republic do attack, they have no army, just a few X-wings? Surely they'd have a small fraction of the chunk of the forces used through to the end of SW VI. Those armies were loyal to the Republic until Palpatine took over. Why would such vast forces not just fall back under the Republic's control? I agree they'd probably disband a huge amount, but all of them? Keeping just a few old X-wings?
Even back in the EP1 there is a huge Trade Federation and significant sized per-planet armies to call upon. Cripes, the entire Clone Armies are required just to fight the Trade Federation.
It's really REALLY hard to believe the galaxy would shrink so much after SW VI, and no one would own spaceships with guns any more... and the only people who do, are the leaders of a massive Republic with 20 X-wings, and the rebellious First Order have just a few ships too, but also one PLANET SIZED weapon that can destroy entire solar systems with one shot, that no one cares about until it's already blown everything up!
They say never go full retard, but SW VII went full retard with it's story line.
The overly snooty British accents on the First Order minions was the perfect icing on the cake
If the story made sense I'd be happier, the film in isolation was kinda ok, but as a continuation from SDW VI it was completely dire!
Further background (in the novelization and other materials) shows that the New Republic continued to fight a war with the bulk of the old Empire until they reached an truce. The more radical bit of the old Empire became the First Order and absconded with a lot of the military hardware, but the idealists in the New Republic underestimated their threat. Mon Mothma wanted more of a government of the people, and so the Republic capital was moved from world to world rather than based on Coruscant, and the military was fundamentally disbanded so the people could 'trust' the government more than they ever trusted the Empire. Over the next 30 years, they became a bit soft whilst the First Order kept building military power (ala the Nazis).
Leia disagreed with Mon Mothma, and with other sympathisers in the Republic formed the Resistance, essentially a small guerilla force shadow funded by the Republic to keep an eye on and counter the First Order. The X-Wings belonged to them, not to the Republic.
So the First Order is not really a small rebellion, in reality it is more that the Resistance is the small rebellion (again!).
You know what my theory on the delay\re-writes are? I think fans etc pore over everything in minute detail and actually see plot holes and then come up with explanations that are more plausible to fill them then anything the scriptwriters come up with.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the scriptwriters didn't even think too deeply about why Rey so adept at using a light sabre with zero training and it was the fans who came up with bit about her having previous training which has been blocked explanation that is doing the rounds.
My worry is that doing late stage re-writes is usually not a good idea, especially to pander to fan feedback. Just seems like a very cynical move on Disney's part.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the scriptwriters didn't even think too deeply about why Rey so adept at using a light sabre with zero training and it was the fans who came up with bit about her having previous training which has been blocked explanation that is doing the rounds.
My worry is that doing late stage re-writes is usually not a good idea, especially to pander to fan feedback. Just seems like a very cynical move on Disney's part.
Halb said:
Really liked Rey, she was stand-out, but Harrison stole every scene.
Didn't really care for Fin, I was hoping he was dead, plus I thought Poe has died too. I hope they don't leech any time away from Luke.
I kind of liked Finn, but Poe I couldn't give a rats arse about. He was just a perpetually upbeat flash Didn't really care for Fin, I was hoping he was dead, plus I thought Poe has died too. I hope they don't leech any time away from Luke.
, constantly wearing that st eating grin. He was Ace Rimmer without the self awareness. If that is at all possible.vxr8mate said:
Have to say that after all the hype this movie proved to be a huge let down.
Hammy acting from the new recruits, poor plot and endless shots of the Falcon having just landed with smoke coming from various ports underneath.
The whole thing felt like it was aimed at 12 year old's.
Newsflash....it is.Hammy acting from the new recruits, poor plot and endless shots of the Falcon having just landed with smoke coming from various ports underneath.
The whole thing felt like it was aimed at 12 year old's.
Guvernator said:
vxr8mate said:
Have to say that after all the hype this movie proved to be a huge let down.
Hammy acting from the new recruits, poor plot and endless shots of the Falcon having just landed with smoke coming from various ports underneath.
The whole thing felt like it was aimed at 12 year old's.
Newsflash....it is.Hammy acting from the new recruits, poor plot and endless shots of the Falcon having just landed with smoke coming from various ports underneath.
The whole thing felt like it was aimed at 12 year old's.
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