Discussion
Moonhawk said:
Interesting to see the new poster:
Even more interesting......
Unless I have missed something - Luke is notable by his absence! The new lead characters as well as Han, Leia and Chewy all feature prominently - yet no Luke. Seems a little odd.
discussed a page back, but I've had more time to think about it. Even more interesting......
Unless I have missed something - Luke is notable by his absence! The new lead characters as well as Han, Leia and Chewy all feature prominently - yet no Luke. Seems a little odd.
Perhaps he's going to look different to what we expect and that's going to be the big shock moment for Ep7? As someone else said it looks like he's going to be using an obvious robotic hand rather than the outwardly normal looking one in the earlier films.
So many rumours and 'leaks' associated with this film though.
Also - DEATHSTAR!
My theory behind Luke's lack of appearance on the poster and trailer:
I'll spoiler it because I've read a lot of 'leaks' and 'theories' and I might have absorbed some of that.
the main plot of the series will be established in the first (7th) film - the Empire didn't fall at the end of the RotJ - there were after-all only a relatively small number of rebels, small enough to fit on a small base on Hoth and hundreds of Star Destroyers and we assume Empirical Bases, but it was a turning point - the Empire has shrinking and the rebels growing ever since - hence the crashed star destroyers and such.
Like SW does, the story will move to someone seemingly unimportant who lives on the edge of the empire and doesn't really know or care about the civil war. (the Female lead) who finds Anikin's old Lightsabre in the wreckage of one of the crashed imperial craft (the one Luke was holding when Darth chopped his hand off) - she knows the legends of the Jedi and the Dark Side (after all by the time of the IV the Jedi are all but extinct and Legend/Myth) and goes off to find it's owner - first she finds Leia or Han who explains that Luke went off into hiding after the battle of Endor - because well Jedi do that sort of thing / for the good of the rebellion. Meanwhile the Vader fan in the trailer is plotting to save the Empire and bring the Sith back - he needs to find Luke for 'reasons' the same reasons Luke went into hiding - Leia, Han the Female Lead and the Male Lead (he's joined at some point) discover this and it's a race to find Luke.
Luke only appears at the end of the film.
It's worth remembering that Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie are only in it for continuity and most of the story will revolve around the new leads.
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I'll spoiler it because I've read a lot of 'leaks' and 'theories' and I might have absorbed some of that.
the main plot of the series will be established in the first (7th) film - the Empire didn't fall at the end of the RotJ - there were after-all only a relatively small number of rebels, small enough to fit on a small base on Hoth and hundreds of Star Destroyers and we assume Empirical Bases, but it was a turning point - the Empire has shrinking and the rebels growing ever since - hence the crashed star destroyers and such.
Like SW does, the story will move to someone seemingly unimportant who lives on the edge of the empire and doesn't really know or care about the civil war. (the Female lead) who finds Anikin's old Lightsabre in the wreckage of one of the crashed imperial craft (the one Luke was holding when Darth chopped his hand off) - she knows the legends of the Jedi and the Dark Side (after all by the time of the IV the Jedi are all but extinct and Legend/Myth) and goes off to find it's owner - first she finds Leia or Han who explains that Luke went off into hiding after the battle of Endor - because well Jedi do that sort of thing / for the good of the rebellion. Meanwhile the Vader fan in the trailer is plotting to save the Empire and bring the Sith back - he needs to find Luke for 'reasons' the same reasons Luke went into hiding - Leia, Han the Female Lead and the Male Lead (he's joined at some point) discover this and it's a race to find Luke.
Luke only appears at the end of the film.
It's worth remembering that Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie are only in it for continuity and most of the story will revolve around the new leads.
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ukaskew said:
Genuine question here before I bow out and switch off from Star Wars for 2 months (having not read any story discussion here)...
I was just discussing this with a colleague (who isn't even watching the trailer)...what do those who actively absorb/seek out every bit of information on the new film hope to gain from it? Does it enhance your enjoyment of a film when you already know so much?
Personally I've never had my enjoyment ruined by knowing too little beforehand, but I've certainly had films that have lost their impact somewhat due to blanket coverage. Even little things, like the raptor/bike scene in Jurassic World, I can't imagine how cool that would have been 'in the moment' had they kept it under wraps.
Star Wars is almost unique for a massive release in that you can quite easily go into it with very little knowledge (the official trailers etc aren't really giving anything away), but ironically everyone seems to be trying to find out as much as possible. It strikes me as odd that those most passionate about the movie are the ones who potentially stand to gain the least from their initial viewing.
For me it's not about gaining every little nugget I can to ruin the surprise - it's more juvenile than that - it's like being 5 again and left in a room with all your Christmas presents unwrapped in a bag - I can't help myself - thankfully my memory is appalling. I was just discussing this with a colleague (who isn't even watching the trailer)...what do those who actively absorb/seek out every bit of information on the new film hope to gain from it? Does it enhance your enjoyment of a film when you already know so much?
Personally I've never had my enjoyment ruined by knowing too little beforehand, but I've certainly had films that have lost their impact somewhat due to blanket coverage. Even little things, like the raptor/bike scene in Jurassic World, I can't imagine how cool that would have been 'in the moment' had they kept it under wraps.
Star Wars is almost unique for a massive release in that you can quite easily go into it with very little knowledge (the official trailers etc aren't really giving anything away), but ironically everyone seems to be trying to find out as much as possible. It strikes me as odd that those most passionate about the movie are the ones who potentially stand to gain the least from their initial viewing.
bstb3 said:
joe_90 said:
Where was Vaders body burned? Where do you think the remains are.. ? What could that planet easily be?
its Endor, and they are off to get Vaders body and kill every ewok that gets in the way.
No chance, ROTJ clearly proved that the Ewoks are an elite fighting force. IMO the empire will be staying well away. Besides, there's no trees.its Endor, and they are off to get Vaders body and kill every ewok that gets in the way.
Looks epic tho, really looking forward to this.
bstb3 said:
No chance, ROTJ clearly proved that the Ewoks are an elite fighting force. IMO the empire will be staying well away. Besides, there's no trees.
Looks epic tho, really looking forward to this.
Dam straight, they were fLooks epic tho, really looking forward to this.
king mustard with sticks and stones. They manage to capture a Rebel Scouting Party, including a Jedi! Before they wiped out a Garrison of Stormtroopers with Walkers and Speeder Bikes. Given they now have access to salvaged Imperial Weapons and exposure to their Technology I would suspect both the Rebels and the Empire have a system sized exclusion zone around Endor lest they get hold of a ship and take over the Galaxy. They're basically furry Gurkhas.
They quite literally will eat Jedis for breakfast given the chance.
Edited by P-Jay on Tuesday 20th October 16:47
Yay, my town has the second smallest IMAX in the country - "we're not the worst!, we're not the worst!"
Still bawls to it, 3D can le log on too - to me they'll always be gimmicks - a bit of slight of hand to distract the viewer from a pretty mundane film (which I hope this isn't).
I wanted Avatar, I said "ooo" and "ahhh" like it was a fireworks display and enjoyed it - then I watched in in 2D at home, turns out without waving your hand in front of your face it's a bit crap.
Still bawls to it, 3D can le log on too - to me they'll always be gimmicks - a bit of slight of hand to distract the viewer from a pretty mundane film (which I hope this isn't).
I wanted Avatar, I said "ooo" and "ahhh" like it was a fireworks display and enjoyed it - then I watched in in 2D at home, turns out without waving your hand in front of your face it's a bit crap.
Halb said:
Gary Kurtz is usually acknowledged as the real brains behind SW. He is the one who put story ahead of effects. Ultimately Lucas and Kurtz fell out, and Kurtz left during RotJ pre-production, which is why RotJ is the weakest (by far) of the three films.
...Oh what could have been...
I hadn't heard that story before but it makes sense - a lot of fans (including me slightly) think that the rot started before the prequels - I really like RotJ, but Lucas got greedy after the first two, he personally made a fortune from the toy rights that the studio didn't really care about - I guess most fans know the Endor was meant to be the Wookie home world and been a much rougher battle - Ewoks were there to sell toys and pave the way for the bloody terrible spin-offs...Oh what could have been...
Anyone remember the Caravan of Courage....
Disastrous said:
I expect video cameras would theoretically suffer quite badly from lens flare in space so it's fair game I think, as long as there's an obvious light source.
So, in a film with multiple aliens species (thankfully 90% of which speak English), spacecraft which fly about in the atmospheres of different planets seemingly without a single bit of aerodynamic bodywork, light sabres and THE FORCE - you can accept a bit of lens flare because if it was all real and someone was filming it for us you might see that? Well, I guess we all have to suspend our disbelief somehow.
(it doesn't bother me though, I wasn't even sure what lens flare was until I googled it, went straight over my head)
harry. said:
I'm not holding my breath for it to be any good whatsoever.
That's the ticket Lad, force those expectations down and hope to be amazed.I think that is why I'm pretty much the only person on Earth who liked Prometheus - everyone else was gagging to get down the cinema and watch the "Aliens Prequel" in IMAX or 3D or whatever, but we'd just had a baby so I didn't get the chance - everyone came back and said it was crap, suitably disappointed I gave up all expectations of it being even half decent, bought the BR on a whim and really liked it.
Bullett said:
It's not the film offering up these explanations though it us geeks.
The film just needs to be logically consistent, over explaining stuff doesn't work (see midichlorians for details).
Amen brother "it's just a film" isn't some kind of slur because they're just fun films to enjoy.The film just needs to be logically consistent, over explaining stuff doesn't work (see midichlorians for details).
When the writers feel like they've got to appease not only the geeks who dissect every part of the existing films frame by frame or heaven forbid the fans of the "expanded universe" because the self-appointed guardians of the universe have read some fan fiction someone wrote in the 90's and "consider it cannon" they're trying to make a film with one arm tied behind their back.
Just make it cool and leave lots to the imagination, that's what made the first ones so good.
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