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I thought I detected more than a hint of Tom Baker in it as well, which is a good thing. I remember only too well how mediocre I felt the previous Dr's new episodes were. At least they gave this more than 40 minutes, although I totally agree that the resolution felt really rushed and the middle lost its way. Strax is obviously there for the kids, you could edit all his scenes out and be no worse off.
Also, the original YouTube version of the new intro titles are better than the ones the BBC used!
All in all though, better than the gurner Matt Smith, and she really does have delicious legs.
Also, the original YouTube version of the new intro titles are better than the ones the BBC used!
All in all though, better than the gurner Matt Smith, and she really does have delicious legs.
I liked it and to be honest thought it was the best Doctor episode for awhile. I think Peter Capaldi will make a very good Doc if that was his first attempt. Carla was good too which made a change as she always seemed to busy being smug when she was with Smith but this time she actually acted. Not so much flashing, jump cut editing and more time to fill out the story and characters which was a vast improvement over the recent ADD shows.
Only bad points for me seem to be one's generally reflected across the net. The new titles and theme music are shockingly bad, the dinosaur was a bit of waste of space and how did the lesbian lizard and her mates cut holes in the roof to absail down to save the day?
He really seems to be a Marmite doctor across the net, very divided opinions down the hate/like lines.
My view? Big improvement. 8/10.
Who was the woman in the promised land at the end?
Rani?
River Song?
and after all the gossip about the Doctor going female....
The Master?
Only bad points for me seem to be one's generally reflected across the net. The new titles and theme music are shockingly bad, the dinosaur was a bit of waste of space and how did the lesbian lizard and her mates cut holes in the roof to absail down to save the day?
He really seems to be a Marmite doctor across the net, very divided opinions down the hate/like lines.
My view? Big improvement. 8/10.
Who was the woman in the promised land at the end?
Rani?
River Song?
and after all the gossip about the Doctor going female....
The Master?
You imagine the first script meeting.
"We need a really dramatic start to the new series"
"Let's start with a T Rex in Victorian London"
"Brilliant, let's make it several times the size of a real T Rex to make it even more dramatic"
"Yes, but then what do we do with it"
"f
k knows"
Apart from that a good episode.
"We need a really dramatic start to the new series"
"Let's start with a T Rex in Victorian London"
"Brilliant, let's make it several times the size of a real T Rex to make it even more dramatic"
"Yes, but then what do we do with it"
"f
k knows"Apart from that a good episode.
Great actors, brilliant idea's, moments of real emotional weight.
All wasted by a car crash of a plot which is Moffat all over.
When I heard he was going to write for Dr Who I was initially very excited because I loved what he had done with the early programs for Sherlock.
But, as we now know the latter series was diabolically bad. The early programs were brilliant because the plot was written for him by a master. The thing is Moffat can write scenes, and has some great one liners, but has has no idea how to plot.
He confuses complexity with cleverness, pace with tension, action with excitement and wrecks plot momentum with gimmicks and relies on distraction to cover the massive holes in the story he is destroying.
He needs to wind his ego in an listen to his critics ( not me , but the long line of professional critics who has repeatedly told him he is pants) , learn how to develop a plot , learn how to work the plot to an impactful climax, learn that a plot is character driven, not gimmick driven, learn that a plot has a central story that must remain coherent and logical or it totally destroys believability.
While I am rant mode the program needs to address the single biggest issue which is creating this mess.
Bring back the multi program story arc with the cliffhanger ending.
This was the best bit of Dr Who. People could not wait for the next week to find out what happened next and it is the single most powerful dramatic device for any series.
Somewhere in the brain dead corpse that was BBC Drama is a market researcher piping ' but our research shows people don't like cliffhangers" Oh course they don't you dim witted clown. Cliffhangers are agonising!!! Thats the point.
The demand to close a story in each program is leading to the rushed plots, the stupid leaps of non-logic to get to a barely believable closure, the gimmicks to distract from the threadbare plot ideas.
Edited to add spleen
All wasted by a car crash of a plot which is Moffat all over.
When I heard he was going to write for Dr Who I was initially very excited because I loved what he had done with the early programs for Sherlock.
But, as we now know the latter series was diabolically bad. The early programs were brilliant because the plot was written for him by a master. The thing is Moffat can write scenes, and has some great one liners, but has has no idea how to plot.
He confuses complexity with cleverness, pace with tension, action with excitement and wrecks plot momentum with gimmicks and relies on distraction to cover the massive holes in the story he is destroying.
He needs to wind his ego in an listen to his critics ( not me , but the long line of professional critics who has repeatedly told him he is pants) , learn how to develop a plot , learn how to work the plot to an impactful climax, learn that a plot is character driven, not gimmick driven, learn that a plot has a central story that must remain coherent and logical or it totally destroys believability.
While I am rant mode the program needs to address the single biggest issue which is creating this mess.
Bring back the multi program story arc with the cliffhanger ending.
This was the best bit of Dr Who. People could not wait for the next week to find out what happened next and it is the single most powerful dramatic device for any series.
Somewhere in the brain dead corpse that was BBC Drama is a market researcher piping ' but our research shows people don't like cliffhangers" Oh course they don't you dim witted clown. Cliffhangers are agonising!!! Thats the point.
The demand to close a story in each program is leading to the rushed plots, the stupid leaps of non-logic to get to a barely believable closure, the gimmicks to distract from the threadbare plot ideas.
Edited to add spleen
Edited by OldandGrumpy on Sunday 24th August 10:53
FourWheelDrift said:
The only thing that irritated me was the Tyrannosaurus Rex, firstly it was too big and secondly why were the Victorian populace so relaxed about it, even one guy saying it's a fake because it didn't look right very surprising when the first partial skeleton was only found in 1900.
All I could think about was the 6000 SUX advert from RobocopOldandGrumpy said:
Great actors, brilliant idea's, moments of real emotional weight.
All wasted by a car crash of a plot which is Moffat all over.
When I heard he was going to write for Dr Who I was initially very excited because I loved what he had done with the early programs for Sherlock.
But, as we now know the latter series was diabolically bad. The early programs were brilliant because the plot was written for him by a master. The thing is Moffat can write scenes, and has some great one liners, but has has no idea how to plot.
He confuses complexity with cleverness, pace with tension, action with excitement and wrecks plot momentum with gimmicks and relies on distraction to cover the massive holes in the story he is destroying.
He needs to wind his ego in an listen to his critics ( not me , but the long line of professional critics who has repeatedly told him he is pants) , learn how to develop a plot , learn how to work the plot to an impactful climax, learn that a plot is character driven, not gimmick driven, learn that a plot has a central story that must remain coherent and logical or it totally destroys believability.
While I am rant mode the program needs to address the single biggest issue which is creating this mess.
Bring back the multi program story arc with the cliffhanger ending.
This was the best bit of Dr Who. People could not wait for the next week to find out what happened next and it is the single most powerful dramatic device for any series.
Somewhere in the brain dead corpse that was BBC Drama is a market researcher piping ' but our research shows people don't like cliffhangers" Oh course they don't you dim witted clown. Cliffhangers are agonising!!! Thats the point.
The demand to close a story in each program is leading to the rushed plots, the stupid leaps of non-logic to get to a barely believable closure, the gimmicks to distract from the threadbare plot ideas.
Edited to add spleen
I am in total agreement with these wise words. Time to abandon the sonic screwdriver as the solution to all problems, and time to stop trying to resolve everything in the last 10 minutes of the episode so we can have a happy ending.All wasted by a car crash of a plot which is Moffat all over.
When I heard he was going to write for Dr Who I was initially very excited because I loved what he had done with the early programs for Sherlock.
But, as we now know the latter series was diabolically bad. The early programs were brilliant because the plot was written for him by a master. The thing is Moffat can write scenes, and has some great one liners, but has has no idea how to plot.
He confuses complexity with cleverness, pace with tension, action with excitement and wrecks plot momentum with gimmicks and relies on distraction to cover the massive holes in the story he is destroying.
He needs to wind his ego in an listen to his critics ( not me , but the long line of professional critics who has repeatedly told him he is pants) , learn how to develop a plot , learn how to work the plot to an impactful climax, learn that a plot is character driven, not gimmick driven, learn that a plot has a central story that must remain coherent and logical or it totally destroys believability.
While I am rant mode the program needs to address the single biggest issue which is creating this mess.
Bring back the multi program story arc with the cliffhanger ending.
This was the best bit of Dr Who. People could not wait for the next week to find out what happened next and it is the single most powerful dramatic device for any series.
Somewhere in the brain dead corpse that was BBC Drama is a market researcher piping ' but our research shows people don't like cliffhangers" Oh course they don't you dim witted clown. Cliffhangers are agonising!!! Thats the point.
The demand to close a story in each program is leading to the rushed plots, the stupid leaps of non-logic to get to a barely believable closure, the gimmicks to distract from the threadbare plot ideas.
Edited to add spleen
ajprice said:
I liked a lot. Shades of Tom Baker in Capaldi's Doctor, but different. Yes the CGI was ropey in places, but it is Doctor Who
A lot of hand over stuff, with the Victorian three and a bit of Matt Smith at the end, It was a decent intro episode though, looking forward to the rest.
Re Tom Baker, did anyone catch Capaldi's line about "maybe a long scarf...no, that'll look stupid".A lot of hand over stuff, with the Victorian three and a bit of Matt Smith at the end, It was a decent intro episode though, looking forward to the rest.
OldandGrumpy said:
All wasted by a car crash of a plot which is Moffat all over.
When I heard he was going to write for Dr Who I was initially very excited because I loved what he had done with the early programs for Sherlock.
But, as we now know the latter series was diabolically bad. The early programs were brilliant because the plot was written for him by a master. The thing is Moffat can write scenes, and has some great one liners, but has has no idea how to plot.
He confuses complexity with cleverness, pace with tension, action with excitement and wrecks plot momentum with gimmicks and relies on distraction to cover the massive holes in the story he is destroying.
He needs to wind his ego in an listen to his critics ( not me , but the long line of professional critics who has repeatedly told him he is pants) , learn how to develop a plot , learn how to work the plot to an impactful climax, learn that a plot is character driven, not gimmick driven, learn that a plot has a central story that must remain coherent and logical or it totally destroys believability.
Lot of truth in that. I find it hard to reconcile the Moffat who wrote "Blink" with some of the less than stellar stuff we've seen from him since he took over. He's best at doing standalone episodes.When I heard he was going to write for Dr Who I was initially very excited because I loved what he had done with the early programs for Sherlock.
But, as we now know the latter series was diabolically bad. The early programs were brilliant because the plot was written for him by a master. The thing is Moffat can write scenes, and has some great one liners, but has has no idea how to plot.
He confuses complexity with cleverness, pace with tension, action with excitement and wrecks plot momentum with gimmicks and relies on distraction to cover the massive holes in the story he is destroying.
He needs to wind his ego in an listen to his critics ( not me , but the long line of professional critics who has repeatedly told him he is pants) , learn how to develop a plot , learn how to work the plot to an impactful climax, learn that a plot is character driven, not gimmick driven, learn that a plot has a central story that must remain coherent and logical or it totally destroys believability.
Zad said:
I thought I detected more than a hint of Tom Baker in it as well, which is a good thing. I remember only too well how mediocre I felt the previous Dr's new episodes were. At least they gave this more than 40 minutes, although I totally agree that the resolution felt really rushed and the middle lost its way. Strax is obviously there for the kids, you could edit all his scenes out and be no worse off.
Also, the original YouTube version of the new intro titles are better than the ones the BBC used!
All in all though, better than the gurner Matt Smith, and she really does have delicious legs.
Get rid of Strax?!! Also, the original YouTube version of the new intro titles are better than the ones the BBC used!
All in all though, better than the gurner Matt Smith, and she really does have delicious legs.
Time to dissolve you in acid!
ali_kat said:
Your moniker suits 
I'm guessing you missed Triggers Broom & other tributes too then
Roll your eyes all you want, the broom is another 'ancient' philosophical conundrum.I'm guessing you missed Triggers Broom & other tributes too then
Pseudo intellectual claptrap and references always appear throughout the scripts.
You've got tributes on the brain.
It doesn't take too much of a Google to find the line "O captain, my captain" was written in 1865 by Walt Whitman in a poem about the death of Abraham Lincoln, the Cyborg in his tall hat sitting in the Lincoln memorial style position clearly made the Dr think of Lincoln. He was probably in Ford's theatre on the day
My take on it. May contain spoilers but come on its 24 hours after broadcast anyway !
Too long - seemed padded. The parlour scene / lecture about Clara accepting the Doctor seemed out of place. Lizard lady turned into lecturing teacher. The scene wasn't necessary and could have been cut. Strax is being overdone, the examination of Clara scene was funny but again cut have been cut without any detriment to the episode. The Tramp scene again overlong and ripe for cutting.
Not sure about Peter Capaldi hope he doesn't turn out to be this versions version of Colin Baker. I too like the "may have to kill you have a drink scene"
The woman at the end - pretty clear its going to be the story arc, the reference to Clara getting the Doctors number from the woman in the shop is a neat reference much forgotten now as to how she first met the Doctor.
Woman at the ens looked a bit like a demented Mary Poppins crossed with Aunt Sally from Worzel Gummidge. Doubt it's River Song as I thibk she has been put to rest now. Doubt its The Rani. I loved the "breath" shot - as if she absorbs life or souls or something. Looking foreward to seeing who she is and what her positioning will be.
Its hard on first episodes. Some people think both Matt Smith and David Tennant nailed it on their first ones for me it seemed to be on the third programme. Matts meeting with the Daleks was the one that did it for me. By the end HE WAS the Doctor. Peter Capaldi is so different though that he may prove to be inspired or a let down. Personally I think he is too old and the fan base may reduce as a result. I also think he may only be a one series Dr as I can't see him doing anything else simultaneously.
Oh and whilst its sentimental the Matt Smith call scene was really well done. Not necessary to the plot and along with Lizard Lecture could be interpreted as saying "look fans he - Capaldi is new but accept him". The scene was well done and touching.
7/10
Had it been shorter and punchier would be 9/10
Too long - seemed padded. The parlour scene / lecture about Clara accepting the Doctor seemed out of place. Lizard lady turned into lecturing teacher. The scene wasn't necessary and could have been cut. Strax is being overdone, the examination of Clara scene was funny but again cut have been cut without any detriment to the episode. The Tramp scene again overlong and ripe for cutting.
Not sure about Peter Capaldi hope he doesn't turn out to be this versions version of Colin Baker. I too like the "may have to kill you have a drink scene"
The woman at the end - pretty clear its going to be the story arc, the reference to Clara getting the Doctors number from the woman in the shop is a neat reference much forgotten now as to how she first met the Doctor.
Woman at the ens looked a bit like a demented Mary Poppins crossed with Aunt Sally from Worzel Gummidge. Doubt it's River Song as I thibk she has been put to rest now. Doubt its The Rani. I loved the "breath" shot - as if she absorbs life or souls or something. Looking foreward to seeing who she is and what her positioning will be.
Its hard on first episodes. Some people think both Matt Smith and David Tennant nailed it on their first ones for me it seemed to be on the third programme. Matts meeting with the Daleks was the one that did it for me. By the end HE WAS the Doctor. Peter Capaldi is so different though that he may prove to be inspired or a let down. Personally I think he is too old and the fan base may reduce as a result. I also think he may only be a one series Dr as I can't see him doing anything else simultaneously.
Oh and whilst its sentimental the Matt Smith call scene was really well done. Not necessary to the plot and along with Lizard Lecture could be interpreted as saying "look fans he - Capaldi is new but accept him". The scene was well done and touching.
7/10
Had it been shorter and punchier would be 9/10
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