Dr Who… Awesome News If You're A Fan
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When it first launched it was excellent science fiction. Time travel, dimensional control, cybernetics, directed evolution, mutation, all mind expanding tools used to explore alternative futures., the nature of being alien, war, politics and civilisation. It had great characters and was well written.
Last Saturday was painful to watch.
Shuttles on the moon
The moon a giant organism that has suddenly increased in mass without consuming anything
It's one of a kind, but somehow gets impregnated
Then it lays an egg as large at itself without consuming anything to build the mass
Then it flaps it's wings and flys away in a vacuum
Drivel
Last Saturday was painful to watch.
Shuttles on the moon
The moon a giant organism that has suddenly increased in mass without consuming anything
It's one of a kind, but somehow gets impregnated
Then it lays an egg as large at itself without consuming anything to build the mass
Then it flaps it's wings and flys away in a vacuum
Drivel
ash73 said:
stephen300o said:
It's an entertainment show. It is science fiction, not science fact. Nothing has to make sense at all. Silly sods.
Don't be daft, credible science fiction must have some basis in reality that's consistent with the laws of nature.If you break the laws of physics without any consistency, you basically end up waving a great big "Get out of Jail Free" card in your viewers/readers faces. Once you've established that there are no rules at all, then every cliff hanger and dramatic situation can be waved away with some random thing happening. It kills every plot dead.
Good science fiction doesn't mind imagining the impossible - so long as there are some constraints for the characters to fight against.
In the Doctor's case the sonic screwdriver has been a big problem as it can apparently unlock, hack, rebuild, reprogram just about any gizmo he comes up against. Watch the hoops the writers jump through to prevent it from being the easy way out.
Star Trek actually works quite hard to establish a known science around the series, and has a science advisor with the job of 'keeping it real' so that you don't end up feeling that the writers are just making it up as they go along. Last week's episode could have done with that - there are a bunch of credible reasons for there being earth-like gravity where they landed, and the final peril could have made more sense without breaking the peril or the conclusion. None of it needs big explanations, just a bit of care not to knock people out of their willing suspension of disbelief.
Good science fiction doesn't mind imagining the impossible - so long as there are some constraints for the characters to fight against.
In the Doctor's case the sonic screwdriver has been a big problem as it can apparently unlock, hack, rebuild, reprogram just about any gizmo he comes up against. Watch the hoops the writers jump through to prevent it from being the easy way out.
Star Trek actually works quite hard to establish a known science around the series, and has a science advisor with the job of 'keeping it real' so that you don't end up feeling that the writers are just making it up as they go along. Last week's episode could have done with that - there are a bunch of credible reasons for there being earth-like gravity where they landed, and the final peril could have made more sense without breaking the peril or the conclusion. None of it needs big explanations, just a bit of care not to knock people out of their willing suspension of disbelief.
Tuna said:
Star Trek actually works quite hard to establish a known science around the series, and has a science advisor with the job of 'keeping it real' so that you don't end up feeling that the writers are just making it up as they go along.
+1A good example being the 'Heisenburg compensators'. Totally preposterous in themselves but a way of saying 'yes we know transporters wouldn't work but we haven't strayed totally into fantasy'.
FWIW
The HOrror CHannel look to be showing Tom Baker onwards episodes of DR Who starting next week
Probably cut to hell but for you nostalgia fans out there.................
Plus they showed a Sylvester McCoy snippet - perhaps Bertie Basset will appear !!
And the brigadier is bound to pop up !
The HOrror CHannel look to be showing Tom Baker onwards episodes of DR Who starting next week
Probably cut to hell but for you nostalgia fans out there.................
Plus they showed a Sylvester McCoy snippet - perhaps Bertie Basset will appear !!
And the brigadier is bound to pop up !
I think comparing ST to DW is the typical apples and oranges argument.
Agreed ST was always good at explaining its theories but was often spoiled by such banal and over-complex writing which was also used to get them out of a predicament (especially Voyager).
Whereas DW has always been more about the drama and less about the facts and is written to attract a younger audience.
Agreed ST was always good at explaining its theories but was often spoiled by such banal and over-complex writing which was also used to get them out of a predicament (especially Voyager).
Whereas DW has always been more about the drama and less about the facts and is written to attract a younger audience.
marshalla said:
Liked the sonic being disabled and the Tardis being put off limits, appreciated the new voice of "The Book" putting in an appearance, the nod to Red Dwarf, and the Tom Baker impersonation wasn't bad.
"Are you my Mummy?"Series 1 (Ecclestone), episodes "The Empty Child" & "The Doctor Dances".
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