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king Groundhog Day now, but done really pretentiously.Let me be (apparently) the first to say. I thought that was great!
Interesting that the prison seemed to itself be the confession dial, but that being the case you'd have thought he'd have known that fairly quickly. Either way, I enjoyed it more than last weeks episode and liked the demonstration of a timelord thinking at timelord speed whilst working out gravity, distance to the water, etc, etc and the idea that theskulls at the bottom of the sea were all his. It's like Ace Rimmer's farewell.
Enjoyed it thoroughly, moaners be damned!
Interesting that the prison seemed to itself be the confession dial, but that being the case you'd have thought he'd have known that fairly quickly. Either way, I enjoyed it more than last weeks episode and liked the demonstration of a timelord thinking at timelord speed whilst working out gravity, distance to the water, etc, etc and the idea that theskulls at the bottom of the sea were all his. It's like Ace Rimmer's farewell.
Enjoyed it thoroughly, moaners be damned!
Flip Martian said:
marcosgt said:
Why didn't that room reset...?
Daft...
M
Good point, major plothole.Daft...
M
Coherent enough for me. Lets remember that the first episode of the reboot had walkin mannequins and using the London Eye as a satellite. I think we've come a long way.
I thought the idea that the skulls are him and that he was repeating the same thing over and over was a good one (although its interesting that Timelord skulls are apparently more hardy than the rest of them...) but the whole premise of how he got there and why he even agreed to go there after last week's episode left me utterly lost so made the whole thing, ultimately, a bit of a mess. Some decent ideas hidden in a load of pretentious babble to explain the unexplainable.
Flip Martian said:
I thought the idea that the skulls are him and that he was repeating the same thing over and over was a good one (although its interesting that Timelord skulls are apparently more hardy than the rest of them...) but the whole premise of how he got there and why he even agreed to go there after last week's episode left me utterly lost so made the whole thing, ultimately, a bit of a mess. Some decent ideas hidden in a load of pretentious babble to explain the unexplainable.
He didn't "agree", he was kidnapped by Mayor Me, effectively, in her capacity as an agent for someone else. It was the teleport bracelet that her booby trap placed on him that started the process. He only "agreed" when he thought it was the way to stop the chronolock.Still a pretty bl**dy awful episode, again, this week. Plot holes galore, not least the non-resetting room.
Rather enjoyed that. Capaldi carried the whole episode, and at last it was written well enough for him to get his teeth into the role. Atmospheric and suitably epic, let's hope Moffat doesn't drop the ball in the final episode.
I think even the 'plot hole' could be explained away - the point where Moffat is weak is that he doesn't always manage to get across the big idea (which makes some of the big reveal episodes a bit confusing).
Otherwise, good stuff.
I think even the 'plot hole' could be explained away - the point where Moffat is weak is that he doesn't always manage to get across the big idea (which makes some of the big reveal episodes a bit confusing).
Otherwise, good stuff.
glazbagun said:
Let me be (apparently) the first to say. I thought that was great!
Interesting that the prison seemed to itself be the confession dial, but that being the case you'd have thought he'd have known that fairly quickly. Either way, I enjoyed it more than last weeks episode and liked the demonstration of a timelord thinking at timelord speed whilst working out gravity, distance to the water, etc, etc and the idea that theskulls at the bottom of the sea were all his. It's like Ace Rimmer's farewell.
Enjoyed it thoroughly, moaners be damned!
I also thought it was pretty good. Interesting that the prison seemed to itself be the confession dial, but that being the case you'd have thought he'd have known that fairly quickly. Either way, I enjoyed it more than last weeks episode and liked the demonstration of a timelord thinking at timelord speed whilst working out gravity, distance to the water, etc, etc and the idea that theskulls at the bottom of the sea were all his. It's like Ace Rimmer's farewell.
Enjoyed it thoroughly, moaners be damned!
As he explains how he does it: "I hope I'm not spoiling the magic. I work at this stuff."
At the moment I'm assuming the inside of the Confession Dial doesn't work like the real world, so there was a sea of skulls from the start, billions years didn't actually pass, and the impenetrable wall was some sort of mental barrier he had to break through.
I avoided watching the "here are spoilers for next week" that they put at the end of each episode. I should probably avoid this thread for the same reason.
When you realise the references dialogue and plot points from The Shepherd Boy by the Brothers Grimm it makes a lot more sense in itself.
Still quite an interesting one however you look at it when you think it's basically one actor for 50 minutes in a castle. More Tom Baker than usual in the performance this week too.
The Hybrid stuff also makes a lot of sense now but is spoilery if explained at all.
Still quite an interesting one however you look at it when you think it's basically one actor for 50 minutes in a castle. More Tom Baker than usual in the performance this week too.
The Hybrid stuff also makes a lot of sense now but is spoilery if explained at all.
DoctorX said:
"The hybrid is me" or should that be "The hybrid is Me"? Still keep thing about that Missy's daughter line in the first episode. Good episode.
Yeah I wonder if they named her that just so he could use that line 
Both are possibilities and both were mentioned at the creation of a hybrid. And if it's to save or destroy Gallifrey it could be an either or. He's after a showdown with her, after all, and she's in contact with the time lords.Also Missy ends up with the confession dial before he meets Davros so he/someone must give her it later. In the (poor) introduction of Ashilda he makes mention of why he chose this face, hopefully that's touched on a bit better.
Well perhaps I'm not the target audience for this series any more, which explains a lot. Clearly with all these obscure plot points and lines of dialogue that some seem to remember, its aimed at the hard core fans who take all that in - if you just watch it without memorising every thing that happens, you get lost and it makes no sense.
Trouble with that approach is you make its appeal selective, and smaller.
Trouble with that approach is you make its appeal selective, and smaller.
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