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Morningside said:
Good point. But I think it ceased to be that ages ago. Long gone are the days of pulling faces while running down corridors holding the sonic screwdriver in front of you.
“I’ve finally run out of corridor. There’s a life summed up.”
Was this the first time someone said 'arse' on DW?
Flip Martian said:
So, a 20 foot thick wall of diamond and he manages (eventually) to punch his way through it. Surely the outcome would have just been 2 million years worth of broken hands...
It was 2 billion wasn't it?If you take the premise that each 'reset' took say a week, that means he hit that wall 104 billion times. That'll weaken anything.
But it should've reset, so the point is moot anyway.
Morningside said:
Good point. But I think it ceased to be that ages ago. Long gone are the days of pulling faces while running down corridors holding the sonic screwdriver in front of you.
Bizarrely, my daughter and I watched a little of an epsiode from 1973 on one of the never ending satellite channels in the week and at one point one of the characters says "I am qualified in Space-medicine" and we both looked at each other and said "When did someone say - You can't just stick Space in front of something and make it special -?" and then we realised it was the Sleepbogeyman episode of Dr Who!!!!!Glad it's the end of the series. I really like Capaldi as Dr Who, but the stories are dull and self-indulgent, so I'm not sure I'll rush to watch next series, but as someone else said, I'm not a hardcore enough fan to remember everything that's been said or happened in the background of every episode ever...
As a matter of interest, how are the viewing figures holding up? Are they losing viewers or are us nay-sayers in the minority?
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Beefmeister said:
Flip Martian said:
So, a 20 foot thick wall of diamond and he manages (eventually) to punch his way through it. Surely the outcome would have just been 2 million years worth of broken hands...
It was 2 billion wasn't it?If you take the premise that each 'reset' took say a week, that means he hit that wall 104 billion times. That'll weaken anything.
But it should've reset, so the point is moot anyway.
I formed the view watching the first time that the place was never supposed to kill him nor intended to imprison him for an eternity, rather to exasperate and terrify him out of his confessions before delivering him for trial. The rooms all reset as he entered them because they were part of the design to terrify him out of his confessions, but the final wall was designed to extract his final confession only- hence the temptation to "lose". He wasn't expected to be replicating himself, and would only enter the room once to be confronted with an unbreakable wall with freedom on the other side just "one confession away" after all he'd endured.
It's when he understands the implications of "Bird" that he goes into his headspace and rants at Clara about wanting to give up. He could have escaped by confessing (as intended), but the trap was imperfect and he found it's weakness (namely that noone expected he'd be so mad as to spend 2 Billion years replicating himself so as to punch through a diamond wall. Even he thought it was crazy).
Like any story there's the odd weak spot, doubly so when you throw in time travel and comming back to life but I am genuinely amazed that some people thought that was a bad episode. I thought it may have been the best one I've seen in years.
In 'The Shepherd Boy' there is a crow rubbing its beak on a diamond mountain once every 100 years. The time taken for the mountain to wear away is 'the first second of eternity' basically demonstrating that eternity is a very long time!
Hence the mentions of the shepherd boy, the bird, and the wearing away of the diamond wall. The story isn't meant to be literal, it's an allegory.
Hence the mentions of the shepherd boy, the bird, and the wearing away of the diamond wall. The story isn't meant to be literal, it's an allegory.
Jonesy23 said:
In 'The Shepherd Boy' there is a crow rubbing its beak on a diamond mountain once every 100 years. The time taken for the mountain to wear away is 'the first second of eternity' basically demonstrating that eternity is a very long time!
Hence the mentions of the shepherd boy, the bird, and the wearing away of the diamond wall. The story isn't meant to be literal, it's an allegory.
Which rather backs up my point about them aiming the series at the obsessive (that's not meant in derogatory terms btw). As the kind of casual entertaining hour that the previous series in the reboot has been (mostly), this just isn't it - its aimed at people who examine the whole thing very closely and take notice of everything. And they're in the minority.Hence the mentions of the shepherd boy, the bird, and the wearing away of the diamond wall. The story isn't meant to be literal, it's an allegory.
Dr Who would know that diamond, or even a stronger material, would have flaws. Any pure flawless material would be clear, and flaws can be induced. You can break diamond quite easily, especially if you already have another diamond chip to localise the stress. It is also quite easy to burn if you have an oxygen source, which would be easy to hack together with the resources he had.
Yeah, I know that wouldn't be the point, but this series has been a let-down. They are definitely not making the best of Mr Capaldi, but at least they have got away from the young attractive female companion hogging the limelight.
Yeah, I know that wouldn't be the point, but this series has been a let-down. They are definitely not making the best of Mr Capaldi, but at least they have got away from the young attractive female companion hogging the limelight.
glazbagun said:
Beefmeister said:
Flip Martian said:
So, a 20 foot thick wall of diamond and he manages (eventually) to punch his way through it. Surely the outcome would have just been 2 million years worth of broken hands...
It was 2 billion wasn't it?If you take the premise that each 'reset' took say a week, that means he hit that wall 104 billion times. That'll weaken anything.
But it should've reset, so the point is moot anyway.
I formed the view watching the first time that the place was never supposed to kill him nor intended to imprison him for an eternity, rather to exasperate and terrify him out of his confessions before delivering him for trial. The rooms all reset as he entered them because they were part of the design to terrify him out of his confessions, but the final wall was designed to extract his final confession only- hence the temptation to "lose". He wasn't expected to be replicating himself, and would only enter the room once to be confronted with an unbreakable wall with freedom on the other side just "one confession away" after all he'd endured.
It's when he understands the implications of "Bird" that he goes into his headspace and rants at Clara about wanting to give up. He could have escaped by confessing (as intended), but the trap was imperfect and he found it's weakness (namely that noone expected he'd be so mad as to spend 2 Billion years replicating himself so as to punch through a diamond wall. Even he thought it was crazy).
Like any story there's the odd weak spot, doubly so when you throw in time travel and comming back to life but I am genuinely amazed that some people thought that was a bad episode. I thought it may have been the best one I've seen in years.
Or am I missing that bit?
David A said:
But sent the problem that each time he has no memory of the previous, perhaps till the diamond wall room. But it's not like he's spent 2 billion years in there it's just the past n hours?
Or am I missing that bit?
We are to believe he was going through that cycle for 2 billion years, I think. The guy who built that castle did an excellent job Or am I missing that bit?
Flip Martian said:
Jonesy23 said:
In 'The Shepherd Boy' there is a crow rubbing its beak on a diamond mountain once every 100 years. The time taken for the mountain to wear away is 'the first second of eternity' basically demonstrating that eternity is a very long time!
Hence the mentions of the shepherd boy, the bird, and the wearing away of the diamond wall. The story isn't meant to be literal, it's an allegory.
Which rather backs up my point about them aiming the series at the obsessive (that's not meant in derogatory terms btw). As the kind of casual entertaining hour that the previous series in the reboot has been (mostly), this just isn't it - its aimed at people who examine the whole thing very closely and take notice of everything. And they're in the minority.Hence the mentions of the shepherd boy, the bird, and the wearing away of the diamond wall. The story isn't meant to be literal, it's an allegory.
Also the story arc with the Hybrid is really pretty basic as a plot once you know what it's about but I really have no idea how exactly Galifrey has suddenly appeared in the story. Maybe I missed something or they lost a lump of the script or maybe it's just rubbish plotting and just relies on magic to skip between random ideas.
David A said:
But sent the problem that each time he has no memory of the previous, perhaps till the diamond wall room. But it's not like he's spent 2 billion years in there it's just the past n hours?
Or am I missing that bit?
No you're right, it's not like Groundhog day where he remembered everything, and I'm sure reaching the diamond room and seeing a hand-punched tunnel would probably help you to click that bit faster, so the Dr that emerged from the confession dial would only have been N hours older than when he stepped out of the teleport. Fresh as a daisy compared to what Matt Smith was like at his end.Or am I missing that bit?
The previous Dr's had to kill themselves and write BIRD on the floor a hundred billion times over to get there though, which is pretty messed up when you think about it. Not one of them survived.
Jonesy23 said:
Maybe I missed something or they lost a lump of the script or maybe it's just rubbish plotting and just relies on magic to skip between random ideas.
I usually take it as this. So many holes it was like a fishing net. But hey, its tv sci fi and not meant to make sense (so they say). How Gallifrey suddenly exists again when I thought it was all destroyed and gone forever, God only knows but no doubt someone will explain it!Flip Martian said:
Jonesy23 said:
Maybe I missed something or they lost a lump of the script or maybe it's just rubbish plotting and just relies on magic to skip between random ideas.
I usually take it as this. So many holes it was like a fishing net. But hey, its tv sci fi and not meant to make sense (so they say). How Gallifrey suddenly exists again when I thought it was all destroyed and gone forever, God only knows but no doubt someone will explain it!Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff