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[kev1974]

Too clever/complicated/dull for me.

Wish they would just go back to simple stories involving angel statues moving when you close your eyes and creepy little boys repeating "are you my mummy"

I don't want to have to think for my entertainment for my Saturday night drama.

[Jader1973]

I thought that it was good.

I liked the idea that Clara realised he'd gone mad with grief, and that the only way to make things right was for him to forget all about her. Otherwise he was going to destroy everything.

Bit annoyed they've created two new "immortals" with a TARDIS though, not sure where that is going to end up. Am I right in thinking only certain people can fly them? So Me won't be able to use it without Clara?

[downstairs]

Whatever happened to Rufus Hound's character from the woman who lived? Why wasn't he there at the end as well?

[Hackney]

clonmult said:

marshalla said:

Langweilig said:

The sequence where we find out that the Doctor has been there for four and a half billion years..

Except he hadn't been. There had been billions of Doctors during that time. Each one lasted a few weeks or months and then sacrificed himself to bring another one into existence. In-fking-consistent. I hate these writers.

Last weeks episode was rather brilliant, but they ignored the repeated resurrection in this one, which frankly was pretty poor.

Sure, some nice little elements (retro tardis is so cool - chameleon circuitry breaking and being stuck as a diner is cool), resurrection as a woman, but it was just a useless love story (Doctor loves Clara, doesn't ever want her to die, etc etc etc).

As someone who - even if I was immortal - wouldn't watch the last two episodes again can someone (briefly) explain why a doctor who is immortal / regenerates can repeatedly resurrect himself over billions of years and still look the same?

And also:

downstairs said:

Whatever happened to Rufus Hound's character from the woman who lived? Why wasn't he there at the end as well?

This

[marshalla]

Hackney said:

As someone who - even if I was immortal - wouldn't watch the last two episodes again can someone (briefly) explain why a doctor who is immortal / regenerates can repeatedly resurrect himself over billions of years and still look the same?

The Veil really killed him when it caught him - but it took a while for him to die, so he used his remaining life-force (or some other wibbly-wobbly bad writer stuff) to "3D print" a new copy of himself from the teleporter cache. Since this cache was created at the point when he left the hidden street, it was a copy of that Dr. every time. No new memories, no knowledge of what had happened to the billions of other Doctors until he worked it out, every time.

Hackney said:

And also:

downstairs said:

Whatever happened to Rufus Hound's character from the woman who lived? Why wasn't he there at the end as well?

This

ISTR they planted a little throwaway "get out" clause by saying that the device might not work on him just as it was implanted, as its power could have been drained by whoever closed Aslan's (or Liono or whatever he was called) portal. Or "Me" got bored and didn't let him into her stasis bubble at the end of time.

Edited by marshalla on Monday 7th December 11:29

[ali_kat]

Or 'Me' & him parted ways - he wasn't exactly her choice of life companion

[glazbagun]

marshalla said:

Hackney said:

And also:

downstairs said:

Whatever happened to Rufus Hound's character from the woman who lived? Why wasn't he there at the end as well?

This

ISTR they planted a little throwaway "get out" clause by saying that the device might not work on him just as it was implanted, as its power could have been drained by whoever closed Aslan's (or Liono or whatever he was called) portal. Or "Me" got bored and didn't let him into her stasis bubble at the end of time.

Pretty sure he told Me that she wasn't indestructible, merely immortal. So there's plenty of room for other dude to have been killed at Hiroshima/Dresden or whatever.

Didn't Danny Pink and Clara have a grandchild who ended up stuck at the end of the universe too? I know it'll be a big place by then, but now they're both dead I don't see how he could ever have existed.

[Countdown]

I thought the episode was disappointing. The stories have become nonsensical and convoluted. There seem to be a lot of occasions where they just throw a load of Dr Who history into a massive jumble just to try to make it exciting...

[stephen300o]

There is plenty of tv which does not require thought, the box is chock full of them in fact.
So a little thought while watching a show is a refreshing change.

[Don]

I really enjoyed this last series.

Capaldi has, in my opinion, nailed The Doctor in a way had hadn't in his first season.

He's properly dangerous in just the right way. I'm looking forward to the Christmas special and the next season. A new story arc would be refreshing.

[ikarl]

glazbagun said:

marshalla said:

Hackney said:

And also:

downstairs said:

Whatever happened to Rufus Hound's character from the woman who lived? Why wasn't he there at the end as well?

This

ISTR they planted a little throwaway "get out" clause by saying that the device might not work on him just as it was implanted, as its power could have been drained by whoever closed Aslan's (or Liono or whatever he was called) portal. Or "Me" got bored and didn't let him into her stasis bubble at the end of time.

Pretty sure he told Me that she wasn't indestructible, merely immortal. So there's plenty of room for other dude to have been killed at Hiroshima/Dresden or whatever.

Didn't Danny Pink and Clara have a grandchild who ended up stuck at the end of the universe too? I know it'll be a big place by then, but now they're both dead I don't see how he could ever have existed.

I would have to go back and check but I'm pretty confident that the Dr told Me that the power was drained to close the portal and he would live a normal life, so as far as to say he would not be immortal like Me

[otolith]

Countdown said:

I thought the episode was disappointing. The stories have become nonsensical and convoluted. There seem to be a lot of occasions where they just throw a load of Dr Who history into a massive jumble just to try to make it exciting...

I will watch it again, but that's the impression I got from the last episode.

[Tuna]

I've enjoyed the last couple of episodes. Capaldi has been great, there have been some wonderfully cinematic moments (unarmed man in a face off with a spaceship!) and some good emotional turning points. On top of that, a good cast and some sharp dialog with nods back to all sorts of Who history. For once they turned the usual 'assistant moves on' story on it's head and tied up a few more loose ends than usual. It wasn't perfect (led ropes and spray webs in the crypt) and a pretty thin plot, but given it had to fit in a time slot, I'll forgive it that.

The split episode format this season seems a success to me - stories have had usefully more space to breathe and the chance to fit in a decent cliff hanger.

On the other hand, the writing has been uneven and has bounced inconsistently between showing and telling (and occasionally just hoping you'd figure it out). For a leading programme by the BBC, it really wouldn't hurt them to spend a few pounds on a 'scientific advisor' just to keep the explanations consistent (or even a bit deeper) and a few more pounds on a couple of script consultants to knock the rough edges off some of the ideas. Letting a single author loose on an episode has been occasionally brilliant, but Mark Gatiss' episode showed that even well respected and experienced writers can miss the mark badly.

Hoping Greg Davies isn't too silly at Christmas, and looking forward to the next season already.

[ali_kat]

ikarl said:

I would have to go back and check but I'm pretty confident that the Dr told Me that the power was drained to close the portal and he would live a normal life, so as far as to say he would not be immortal like Me

That's ringing a bell here too!

wiki said:

The Doctor guesses that the excess that would have caused this may have been burned out in the portal closing, but is unsure himself; just in case Swift is immortal, he asks Ashildr keep an eye on him

Doesn't confirm either way, but he wasn't around when she was Mayor either... but it leaves it open for him to return

[otolith]

downstairs said:

Whatever happened to Rufus Hound's character from the woman who lived? Why wasn't he there at the end as well?

She says;

"Even the other immortals are gone, it's just me"

[onomatopoeia]

I have really enjoyed this series, including the finale. I think Capaldi makes an excellent Doctor and don't mind having to think during a drama, even one on BBC1.

[Bullett]

Utter garbage.
Tedious and drawn out.
Felt like they were making it up as it goes along.
I have no idea who this is aimed at, it's not a kids show.

[Hackney]

marshalla said:

Hackney said:

As someone who - even if I was immortal - wouldn't watch the last two episodes again can someone (briefly) explain why a doctor who is immortal / regenerates can repeatedly resurrect himself over billions of years and still look the same?

The Veil really killed him when it caught him - but it took a while for him to die, so he used his remaining life-force (or some other wibbly-wobbly bad writer stuff) to "3D print" a new copy of himself from the teleporter cache. Since this cache was created at the point when he left the hidden street, it was a copy of that Dr. every time. No new memories, no knowledge of what had happened to the billions of other Doctors until he worked it out, every time.

Hackney said:

And also:

downstairs said:

Whatever happened to Rufus Hound's character from the woman who lived? Why wasn't he there at the end as well?

This

ISTR they planted a little throwaway "get out" clause by saying that the device might not work on him just as it was implanted, as its power could have been drained by whoever closed Aslan's (or Liono or whatever he was called) portal. Or "Me" got bored and didn't let him into her stasis bubble at the end of time.

Edited by marshalla on Monday 7th December 11:29

Thanks. I may now give those last two episodes another go with that in mind.

I can understand people saying it's great that there's a programme that makes you think but there's an apparently fine Whovian line between thought provoking and so convoluted as to leave you scratching your head wondering WTF is going on.

[marshalla]

Hackney said:

Thanks. I may now give those last two episodes another go with that in mind.

I can understand people saying it's great that there's a programme that makes you think but there's an apparently fine Whovian line between thought provoking and so convoluted badly written as to leave you scratching your head wondering WTF is going on.

FTFY.

[stephen300o]

Bullett said:

Utter garbage.
Tedious and drawn out.
Felt like they were making it up as it goes along.
I have no idea who this is aimed at, it's not a kids show.

Yes it is a kids show.