So, Batman to appear in man of steel sequel...
Discussion
VinceFox said:
It would have been in the hands of someone like del toro or gilliam. Snyder miscast half the characters and threw the KO ending away. The book was pretty much a complete storyboard for the filming.
I always thought that Snyder was so preoccupied into giving the fanboys (like me) want they wanted by copying the book almost exactly that he forgot to look round and smell the coffee.Which was that three of the principal leads couldn't act their way out of a paper bag and that unless you had read the book it was hard to understand how serious it was meant to be. But I thought The Comedian & Roshrasrch were spot on. Plus the opening to set the tone was very well done.
However.
Worst. Sex Scene. EVAH.
And it ruined the entire film. Was so embarrassing that any sense of belief in this world that had been created an hour later flew right out the window. People were laughing at the showing I went to.
VinceFox said:
My concern is more snyder riding nolans success. Dark knight was good because of nolan and i suspect his input and audience expectation added up to a lot of the numbers MOS did. Snyder worries me as a director, he has very little real depth. To f
k up an open goal like watchmen takes some doing.
An open goal? Really? A comic only the real die hard comic fans had actually ever heard of and which many deemed to be near impossible to adapt to film. k up an open goal like watchmen takes some doing.Edit: bugger someone beat me to it (really should read the whole thread before posting. Doh!)
Edited by Oxygen2k10 on Sunday 21st July 17:45
Oxygen2k10 said:
VinceFox said:
My concern is more snyder riding nolans success. Dark knight was good because of nolan and i suspect his input and audience expectation added up to a lot of the numbers MOS did. Snyder worries me as a director, he has very little real depth. To fk up an open goal like watchmen takes some doing.
An open goal? Really? A comic only the real die hard comic fans had actually ever heard of and which many deemed to be near impossible to adapt to film. k up an open goal like watchmen takes some doing.Doing the Dark Knight Returns or even anything close to it would be incredibly stupid for a Superman sequel, hopefully Batman's involvement will be kept small and relatively superficial to introduce everyone to the fact that its the same universe.
It is a Superman sequel, basing it on a Batman storyline where Batman beats government lacky Superman is ridiculous...don't have faith in it at all based purely on the Dark Knight Returns quote.
It is a Superman sequel, basing it on a Batman storyline where Batman beats government lacky Superman is ridiculous...don't have faith in it at all based purely on the Dark Knight Returns quote.
Regiment said:
VinceFox said:
It was a giant highly detailed storyboard with hugely developed characters.
I thoroughly enjoyed Watchman, think it is one of the best comic book movies.In regards to the Superman/Batman film, all the right ingredients are there but I feel they will struggle to make it 'click'. It looks like the main players involved with making this are all from Man of Steel (Snyder, Nolan, Goyer) and The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, Goyer), but I can't see how they are going to 'do' Batman.
The Nolan Batman just won't work in the MoS universe, he's too gritty and grounded a lot more towards realism. I see a new Batman coming in, but he won't be 50ish like the comics, more like 40's.
Unless they do something completely mental, like have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman?!! That would allow them to reinvent the Batman, while not wiping over the Nolan era. Potential for Bale to come back at the end of the film, thus leading into a series of Nightwing films? Sounds crazy, but film makers aren't exactly well known for being source material faithful.
The Beaver King said:
Agreed, it's by far one of my favourite comic book films. It is a very 'marmite' film though, a lot of my friends didn't like it or understand what it was supposed to be.
In regards to the Superman/Batman film, all the right ingredients are there but I feel they will struggle to make it 'click'. It looks like the main players involved with making this are all from Man of Steel (Snyder, Nolan, Goyer) and The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, Goyer), but I can't see how they are going to 'do' Batman.
The Nolan Batman just won't work in the MoS universe, he's too gritty and grounded a lot more towards realism. I see a new Batman coming in, but he won't be 50ish like the comics, more like 40's.
Unless they do something completely mental, like have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman?!! That would allow them to reinvent the Batman, while not wiping over the Nolan era. Potential for Bale to come back at the end of the film, thus leading into a series of Nightwing films? Sounds crazy, but film makers aren't exactly well known for being source material faithful.
If they make that third rock little c**t batman, i'm out.In regards to the Superman/Batman film, all the right ingredients are there but I feel they will struggle to make it 'click'. It looks like the main players involved with making this are all from Man of Steel (Snyder, Nolan, Goyer) and The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan, Goyer), but I can't see how they are going to 'do' Batman.
The Nolan Batman just won't work in the MoS universe, he's too gritty and grounded a lot more towards realism. I see a new Batman coming in, but he won't be 50ish like the comics, more like 40's.
Unless they do something completely mental, like have Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman?!! That would allow them to reinvent the Batman, while not wiping over the Nolan era. Potential for Bale to come back at the end of the film, thus leading into a series of Nightwing films? Sounds crazy, but film makers aren't exactly well known for being source material faithful.
VinceFox said:
If they make that third rock little c**t batman, i'm out.
The guy's considered hot property at the moment, I wouldn't put it past them. I can't think who else could play Batman to be honest, but a few names that are kicking about:
Armie Hammer
Dominic Cooper
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
Mark Strong
Idris Elba
and my personal suggestion:
Bradley Cooper
Although I would have chosen Tom Hardy if he hadn't already been Bane....
I wonder if Christian Bale would be interested if it was offered to him, it should hopefully be something relatively small and im sure they'll throw some decent money at him. I'd presume though that the studio arent just interested in someone to be Batman for just Man Of Steel 2 but to play Batman in Justice League as well.
this Batman will have to have nothing to do with tha Nolan movies, after all bruce wayne was only Batman for about year in his Timeline. So that should rule out joseph gordan-levvitt.
I do think they are rushing bringing the two together in the same picture. This supes hasn't even started out yet and introducing batman in this way could hinder future batman movies too.
i don't mind snyder as a director but Goyer is a piss poor screenwriter they really should hire someone else to script it.
I do think they are rushing bringing the two together in the same picture. This supes hasn't even started out yet and introducing batman in this way could hinder future batman movies too.
i don't mind snyder as a director but Goyer is a piss poor screenwriter they really should hire someone else to script it.
Prawnboy said:
this Batman will have to have nothing to do with tha Nolan movies, after all bruce wayne was only Batman for about year in his Timeline. So that should rule out joseph gordan-levvitt.
I do think they are rushing bringing the two together in the same picture. This supes hasn't even started out yet and introducing batman in this way could hinder future batman movies too.
Defintely agree, especially seeing as how poorly they managed to add any depth to MoS and now they want to cram another big superhero into the mix that will surely detract from any character development. This is why the the Marvel films have done pretty well, separate films for each main character to build up their story, then the colossal superhero orgy to max out the action. I do think they are rushing bringing the two together in the same picture. This supes hasn't even started out yet and introducing batman in this way could hinder future batman movies too.
Prawnboy said:
i don't mind snyder as a director but Goyer is a piss poor screenwriter they really should hire someone else to script it.
Have you not heard? There are currently only two writers working in Hollywood, so your only other option is Damon Lindelof...
I think this film has 'the lesser of two evils' writing the script.
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/26514/warner-bros-...
The way I read that, the Superman/Batman film they've announced isn't a Man of Steel sequel, and MoS 2 may come later.
The way I read that, the Superman/Batman film they've announced isn't a Man of Steel sequel, and MoS 2 may come later.
[quote=The Beaver King
There are currently only two writers working in Hollywood, so your only other option is Damon Lindelof...
I think this film has 'the lesser of two evils' writing the script.
maybe they should both write it, perhaps two minuses could make a plus.Prawnboy said:
i don't mind snyder as a director but Goyer is a piss poor screenwriter they really should hire someone else to script it.
Have you not heard? There are currently only two writers working in Hollywood, so your only other option is Damon Lindelof...
I think this film has 'the lesser of two evils' writing the script.
Word on the street is...
Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in talks to step into the role, set years after the events of TDKR, he takes on the cape as Bruce Wayne is now either too old and broken or dead to do so and features in the new Superman movie, but isn't a major character - which will be closely followed by a prequel which shows his transition from Cop, to Robin and finally Batman.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in talks to step into the role, set years after the events of TDKR, he takes on the cape as Bruce Wayne is now either too old and broken or dead to do so and features in the new Superman movie, but isn't a major character - which will be closely followed by a prequel which shows his transition from Cop, to Robin and finally Batman.
P-Jay said:
Word on the street is...
Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in talks to step into the role, set years after the events of TDKR, he takes on the cape as Bruce Wayne is now either too old and broken or dead to do so and features in the new Superman movie, but isn't a major character - which will be closely followed by a prequel which shows his transition from Cop, to Robin and finally Batman.
Source?Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in talks to step into the role, set years after the events of TDKR, he takes on the cape as Bruce Wayne is now either too old and broken or dead to do so and features in the new Superman movie, but isn't a major character - which will be closely followed by a prequel which shows his transition from Cop, to Robin and finally Batman.
Bale is 40 odd anyway. Dark Knight Rises showed him grey, with a gammy leg, at one point in a leg brace. He also looks older than Henry the neck snapper and fortunately he can act. To a lesser or greater degree actors really like money, no matter how much of it they already have.
The Dark Knight films made Warners literally over a billion. Why are they going to jettison a generations Batman, when the last film is not yet 12 months old?
My guess is they will have Bale back. Older than Henry but clearly no antique. I'd also guess they will base the film loosely around the Dark Knight Returns. It's all there. Bruce Wayne off enjoying himself with Selena, sees Metropolis getting annihilated by punchy and Zod and realises it could happen again. To Gotham. Who can stop the gods having a fist fight? Only the man with the gravelly voice. Maybe he starts working on it with Luthor, who knows.
I just can't see they will make it without Bale as Batman.
The Dark Knight films made Warners literally over a billion. Why are they going to jettison a generations Batman, when the last film is not yet 12 months old?
My guess is they will have Bale back. Older than Henry but clearly no antique. I'd also guess they will base the film loosely around the Dark Knight Returns. It's all there. Bruce Wayne off enjoying himself with Selena, sees Metropolis getting annihilated by punchy and Zod and realises it could happen again. To Gotham. Who can stop the gods having a fist fight? Only the man with the gravelly voice. Maybe he starts working on it with Luthor, who knows.
I just can't see they will make it without Bale as Batman.
highway said:
Bale is 40 odd anyway. Dark Knight Rises showed him grey, with a gammy leg, at one point in a leg brace. He also looks older than Henry the neck snapper and fortunately he can act. To a lesser or greater degree actors really like money, no matter how much of it they already have.
The Dark Knight films made Warners literally over a billion. Why are they going to jettison a generations Batman, when the last film is not yet 12 months old?
My guess is they will have Bale back. Older than Henry but clearly no antique. I'd also guess they will base the film loosely around the Dark Knight Returns. It's all there. Bruce Wayne off enjoying himself with Selena, sees Metropolis getting annihilated by punchy and Zod and realises it could happen again. To Gotham. Who can stop the gods having a fist fight? Only the man with the gravelly voice. Maybe he starts working on it with Luthor, who knows.
I just can't see they will make it without Bale as Batman.
I'd be very, very happy if he did, but i just cant see it now.The Dark Knight films made Warners literally over a billion. Why are they going to jettison a generations Batman, when the last film is not yet 12 months old?
My guess is they will have Bale back. Older than Henry but clearly no antique. I'd also guess they will base the film loosely around the Dark Knight Returns. It's all there. Bruce Wayne off enjoying himself with Selena, sees Metropolis getting annihilated by punchy and Zod and realises it could happen again. To Gotham. Who can stop the gods having a fist fight? Only the man with the gravelly voice. Maybe he starts working on it with Luthor, who knows.
I just can't see they will make it without Bale as Batman.
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