PQ 17: An Arctic Convoy Disaster - Jeremy Clarkson

PQ 17: An Arctic Convoy Disaster - Jeremy Clarkson

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duncancallum

839 posts

178 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Superb nothing short of superb.

Jc when he isn't being Jezza is brilliant.

wiffmaster

2,603 posts

198 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Excellent. Love it when Clarkson does these sorts of programme - he always does a bloody good job.

Robertos88

155 posts

132 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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That was very good. Tragic story, but some pretty heroic no nonsense stuff.

deltaevo16

755 posts

171 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Excellent and very emotive.
Seeing that ship do a fast turn was incredible.
Those men who died deserved recognition a long time ago, nice to see the Russians honored them

NDA

21,574 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Excellent program, very moving and quite fascinating.

I am always profoundly wobbled by seeing those brave old boys reliving stuff that you and I (collectively) would find almost impossible to comprehend.

GTO Scott

3,816 posts

224 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Excellent, very well done clap

silverthorn2151

6,298 posts

179 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I am ashamed at how little I knew of these men, courageous beyond belief and dignified in all that they said.

Another great programme that people can learn from at any age and well done JC. He really does do this sort of thing well and I believe is genuinely passionate about it. Excellent programme.

Paint the ships white and load the tank guns! What a truely great man.

Smiler.

11,752 posts

230 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Clarkson is so much more watchable when he delivers like this.

It was an excellent programme & a fitting & moving tribute to those who took part at the business end of the Arctic Convoys.

I suspect the "establishment" to be behind failure to properly recognise those who served in this theatre & after a while, gross embarrassment if not shame.

Interesting to see that this programme was fairly long in the making.

Evil Monkey

354 posts

146 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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A great hour of TV. Some very brave men featured, I'm pretty bloody sure I wouldn't have the bottle to do what they did, whatever the circumstances.

Even the JC detractors would have to admit that he does this type of show very well.

Butter Face

30,299 posts

160 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Great program, very enjoyable presentation from JC.

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Brilliant documentary. Jeremy Clarkson really is extremely watchable in these as you really believe the subject is very important to him, and he can be serious without being completely deadpan or sombre.

Watching the veterans being interviewed is always tough. They're so dignified, so humble, and so brave.. and clearly find it tough to talk about the horrendous things they must have lived through all those years ago - but still always manage to tell the story. Always leaves me with a lump in my throat to be honest.

On the subject of the arctic star, my great uncle flew Short Sunderland bombers during the war and was shot down and killed on submarine patrol above the arctic circle. We applied for the medal as he should be eligible for it - which we hope to be able to give to my grandma (his sister) who's still alive.

AndyWoodall

2,625 posts

259 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I freely admit I had something in my eye a couple of times.

Good bit of tv. Anyone got any recommended reading? There are chapters on this and the Atlantic convoys in a tatty copy I have of 'Royal Navy at War '39-'45 but would like something more specific if people have good opinions of some literature...

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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AndyWoodall said:
I freely admit I had something in my eye a couple of times.

Good bit of tv. Anyone got any recommended reading? There are chapters on this and the Atlantic convoys in a tatty copy I have of 'Royal Navy at War '39-'45 but would like something more specific if people have good opinions of some literature...
If you've never seen his other two documentaries (the one on the Victoria Cross and the one about taking out the dry dock in Saint Nazaire) then they're absolutely essential watches as they're equally as good.

caiss4

1,876 posts

197 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Barred from watching JC tonight (something to do with Jane Eyre?!?) but this looks like a perfect I-player down load for the commute on Monday!

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I prefer the VC one, due to his personal connection to it.

deltaevo16

755 posts

171 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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AndyWoodall said:
I freely admit I had something in my eye a couple of times.

Good bit of tv. Anyone got any recommended reading? There are chapters on this and the Atlantic convoys in a tatty copy I have of 'Royal Navy at War '39-'45 but would like something more specific if people have good opinions of some literature...
HMS Ulysses is a novel by Alistair Maclean which is based loosely around PQ17 it's an excellent read.

NDA

21,574 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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AndyWoodall said:
I freely admit I had something in my eye a couple of times.

Good bit of tv. Anyone got any recommended reading? There are chapters on this and the Atlantic convoys in a tatty copy I have of 'Royal Navy at War '39-'45 but would like something more specific if people have good opinions of some literature...
Try this:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/PQ17/1968edition.pdf

Graculus

143 posts

126 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Great programme.

I'll admit to a lump in the throat when the pictures of three men were shown at the end. They got to tell their stories.

Hero's, every one of them.

agtlaw

6,712 posts

206 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Superb programme.

My great uncle was in the merchant navy - his ship was sunk by a German U-boat in the Arctic Sea near Russia. He told me that he was sleeping when there was a massive noise and he found himself in the sea - with his pals dead or dying all around him. Incredibly and against all the odds, he survived.

Although the Clarkson programme dwelled on the disastrous consequences of bad leadership, the various convoys to Russia actually delivered a great deal of supplies and it's a national disgrace that the outstanding bravery and contribution of the merchant navy went unrecognised for so long.

RemaL

24,973 posts

234 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I was lucky enough to catch this and glad I did