Top Gear Series 21

[r11co]

Crossflow Kid said:

FiF said:

Crossflow Kid said:

jbudgie said:

" Top Gear is still one of the most entertaining 60 minutes of television there is."

Agreed.

But have the upper echelons of BBC management (see W1A for absolutely detailed details ok? Cool.) made the mistake of thinking Clarkson is a product of Top Gear, where we all know it's the other way around?
Or are they assuming and accepting that the end of Clarkson heralds the end of TG?

I think they will think 'so what?'

Someone, may possibly, at a stretch, point out just how much revenue the show brings to the BBC coffers. Possibly. Outside chance.

I think they will still think, 'so what?'

It's not the way they think.

They think? Wow, like cool, like yeah.

That's the thing about lefties. They think money comes easily and revel in spending it, but then denigrate capital and go all 'hippy' when they've pissed all they had up the wall and there is less of it about generally.

[FiF]

Crossflow Kid said:

FiF said:

Crossflow Kid said:

jbudgie said:

" Top Gear is still one of the most entertaining 60 minutes of television there is."

Agreed.

But have the upper echelons of BBC management (see W1A for absolutely detailed details ok? Cool.) made the mistake of thinking Clarkson is a product of Top Gear, where we all know it's the other way around?
Or are they assuming and accepting that the end of Clarkson heralds the end of TG?

I think they will think 'so what?'

Someone, may possibly, at a stretch, point out just how much revenue the show brings to the BBC coffers. Possibly. Outside chance.

I think they will still think, 'so what?'

It's not the way they think.

They think? Wow, like cool, like yeah.

Oh absolutely. Yes. brilliant. I mean it's your decision. Tony will love it.

[FiF]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cam...

[Butter Face]

FiF said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cam...

I think we should definitly all refer to it now as 'the Guy-Gibson's dog word'

[jbudgie]

Chim said:

I am so sick to the fking teeth of all this PC bks, and the professionally fking offended.

Really had enough of this st now

I'm with you all the way.

[Rich_W]

The problem here is that the show has previous of trying to be witty and it just coming across as racist. (Slope or the Mexican thing) Now whether Clarkson did or didn't say the word is unknown. But with the previous it was only ever going to go one way.

I think some of the posters above have clearly not been the victim of racism either. Some black people could care less about the word, but a lot (particularly the older generation) will still be genuinely, deeply offended. So to accuse those people of being "too PC" is pretty off imo

It's 2014 and racism is a smaller problem than it has been, but it's still a problem. And as one of the posters earlier said. JC should have the intelligence to not go anywhere near the rhyme. Yes, it wasn't broadcast and they re-shot it. But just the simple "eeeny meeny miney moe" would have sufficed. Didn't need the second part.

As for those saying the BBC wouldn't can TG off the back of this. I'm not so sure. Remember this is run by people that spent a billion moving BBC News and Sport to Salford for no apparent reason.

[anonymous-user]

Rich_W said:

But just the simple "eeeny meeny miney moe" would have sufficed. Didn't need the second part.

Oh do fk off.
So now, one doesn't even have to utter an offensive word, just saying something that might be linked to one is enough?
What next? Deny the BBC ever screened The Bl*ck and Wh*te Minstrel Show?

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 4th May 18:10

[jbudgie]

I think Clarkson is becoming the victim of reverse racism.

[sandman77]

From reading this thread it seems a lot of people haven't heard the clip. Here it is.

http://youtu.be/nlQjdUWqBLE

Now, to me it is pretty clear. He did use the word.

[Rich_W]

Crossflow Kid said:

Rich_W said:

But just the simple "eeeny meeny miney moe" would have sufficed. Didn't need the second part.

Oh do fk off.
So now, one doesn't even have to utter an offensive word, just saying something that might be linked to one is enough?
What next? Deny the BBC ever screened The Bl*ck and Wh*te Minstrel Show?

Well done. You're an idiot

Yes, funnily enough, humming/mumbling racist lines in a old outdated rhyme marks you out as being either a) racist or b) stupid to be going anywhere near it.

I suspect JC is the latter to be fair. And I dunno about the minstrel show. But they don't show it in 2014 do they. The world has changed. I expect people to change with it.

I get that you don't agree with that from the cars in your garage. It's still the 50s to you isn't it. I bet you still refer to non whites as "coloureds" So stop trying to make this out as some "PC do gooder" or "professionally offended" nonsense. In this day and age, we don't do racism anymore. And the vast majority of the population accept that and choose more wisely what they say. Especially if they are in the public eye.

So either move with the times, drop the old ignorant ways, or you can go fk off

[FiF]

All very well but I recently saw a couple of programmes, one was a film, it was an old Peter Sellars film iirc, where there were some comments that today just would not be allowed. Extremely racist comments. There was no edit, bleep or anything. Eyebrows raised.

Double standards.

I do remember correctly, here is a link. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052911/reviews

review said:

Most recent broadcasts of this movie have edited out the disturbing racist statements of the working class characters, but the original movie had no sentimental soft spot for anyone, workers or bosses.

Can assure you watched this in the last couple of months on one of the broadcast to air film channels and the racist comments were definitely NOT edited out.

[Chim]

Rich_W said:

Well done. You're an idiot

Yes, funnily enough, humming/mumbling racist lines in a old outdated rhyme marks you out as being either a) racist or b) stupid to be going anywhere near it.

I suspect JC is the latter to be fair. And I dunno about the minstrel show. But they don't show it in 2014 do they. The world has changed. I expect people to change with it.

I get that you don't agree with that from the cars in your garage. It's still the 50s to you isn't it. I bet you still refer to non whites as "coloureds" So stop trying to make this out as some "PC do gooder" or "professionally offended" nonsense. In this day and age, we don't do racism anymore. And the vast majority of the population accept that and choose more wisely what they say. Especially if they are in the public eye.

So either move with the times, drop the old ignorant ways, or you can go fk off

Or the alternate that a lot of us still think the whole PC professionally offended thing is a crock of st and we are fking sick off it.

So the rest of you can take your PC bks and go fk off

[Rich_W]

FiF said:

All very well but I recently saw a couple of programmes, one was a film, it was an old Peter Sellars film iirc, where there were some comments that today just would not be allowed. Extremely racist comments. There was no edit, bleep or anything. Eyebrows raised.

Double standards.

I do remember correctly, here is a link. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052911/reviews

review said:

Most recent broadcasts of this movie have edited out the disturbing racist statements of the working class characters, but the original movie had no sentimental soft spot for anyone, workers or bosses.

Can assure you watched this in the last couple of months on one of the broadcast to air film channels and the racist comments were definitely NOT edited out.

Ok. I don't know the film in question. So can't comment on specifics.

Perhaps the difference is that JC said this recently (2012?) and that film was from 1959. When the world was different. And I'm sure that people will claim hypocrisy because the Dambusters gets edited every time it's shown. My point is really that JC should have been more sensible. And whoever was script checking for them (Porter?) should have done their job better.

And I also think that some people are incapable of criticising Clarkson or Top Gear. Do you think we'd have people saying "Oh get over it" if it was a more disliked TV presenter? Say it was Peirs Morgan? He'd be getting slated by all and sundry. Even ironically by JC given their history.

Chim said:

Or the alternate that a lot of us still think the whole PC professionally offended thing is a crock of st and we are fking sick off it.

So the rest of you can take your PC bks and go fk off

I'm sorry. Are you actually endorsing racism by trying to mitigate it as a "PC professionally offended" thing

Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 4th May 22:06

[anonymous-user]

Rich_W said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Rich_W said:

But just the simple "eeeny meeny miney moe" would have sufficed. Didn't need the second part.

Oh do fk off.
So now, one doesn't even have to utter an offensive word, just saying something that might be linked to one is enough?
What next? Deny the BBC ever screened The Bl*ck and Wh*te Minstrel Show?

Well done. You're an idiot

Yes, funnily enough, humming/mumbling racist lines in a old outdated rhyme marks you out as being either a) racist or b) stupid to be going anywhere near it.

I suspect JC is the latter to be fair. And I dunno about the minstrel show. But they don't show it in 2014 do they. The world has changed. I expect people to change with it.

I get that you don't agree with that from the cars in your garage. It's still the 50s to you isn't it. I bet you still refer to non whites as "coloureds" So stop trying to make this out as some "PC do gooder" or "professionally offended" nonsense. In this day and age, we don't do racism anymore. And the vast majority of the population accept that and choose more wisely what they say. Especially if they are in the public eye.

So either move with the times, drop the old ignorant ways, or you can go fk off

Thanks for the personal insults. How very grown up of you. It fits so well with you dispensing advice on how we can all be more in tune with your concept for today's society.
So, Sweetpea (86% trolling, 14% fact), let's get this straight, whilst I don't agree with the racist bits of "Eeny, Meeny, Miney, Mo" to suggest that quoting the non-offensive bits, commonly used as a metaphor for when two items are so similar there's no other way to choose between them, somehow marks out the commentator as a racist by proxy is crackers.
I suppose the idea of tossing a coin could be used but that would probably offend someone else as it also means wking.
D'you ever eat Robinson's jam? Bet you do, you bloody racist.

[anonymous-user]

Rich_W said:

I'm sorry. Are you actually endorsing racism?

2 + 2 is not 5

[JonRB]

r11co said:

That's the thing about lefties. They think money comes easily and revel in spending it, but then denigrate capital and go all 'hippy' when they've pissed all they had up the wall and there is less of it about generally.

"Socialism is great, until you run out of other peoples' money"

[The_Burg]

[redacted]

[FiF]

Rich_W said:

FiF said:

All very well but I recently saw a couple of programmes, one was a film, it was an old Peter Sellars film iirc, where there were some comments that today just would not be allowed. Extremely racist comments. There was no edit, bleep or anything. Eyebrows raised.

Double standards.

I do remember correctly, here is a link. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052911/reviews

review said:

Most recent broadcasts of this movie have edited out the disturbing racist statements of the working class characters, but the original movie had no sentimental soft spot for anyone, workers or bosses.

Can assure you watched this in the last couple of months on one of the broadcast to air film channels and the racist comments were definitely NOT edited out.

Ok. I don't know the film in question. So can't comment on specifics.

Perhaps the difference is that JC said this recently (2012?) and that film was from 1959. When the world was different. And I'm sure that people will claim hypocrisy because the Dambusters gets edited every time it's shown. My point is really that JC should have been more sensible. And whoever was script checking for them (Porter?) should have done their job better.

And I also think that some people are incapable of criticising Clarkson or Top Gear. Do you think we'd have people saying "Oh get over it" if it was a more disliked TV presenter? Say it was Peirs Morgan? He'd be getting slated by all and sundry. Even ironically by JC given their history.

Personally it was a stupid place to go.

But that's with the benefit of hindsight post India special, post Mexico malarkey and post slope. I think that's the sequence of things.

So if that sequence is right this is from something they didn't actually air.

Where does this fit into that sequence?

[Rich_W]

Crossflow said:

Thanks for the personal insults. How very grown up of you.

YOU STARTED IT!

Crossflow Kid said:

Oh do fk off.

Typical hypocrite! Can give it but not take it!

Crossflow said:

whilst I don't agree with the racist bits of "Eeny, Meeny, Miney, Mo" to suggest that quoting the non-offensive bits, commonly used as a metaphor for when two items are so similar there's no other way to choose between them, somehow marks out the commentator as a racist by proxy is crackers.

Saying that, you seem not to be able to understand what I wrote in English! He (JC) quoted/mumbled the RACIST 2nd line part. That's pretty stupid don't you agree? If he'd just said the FIRST line of the rhyme (e-m-m-m) it wouldn't have mattered. It was the 2nd line (c-a-n-b-t-t) that has caused this issue for him. Surely the multi millionaire, normally pretty astute JC gave some foresight as to what MIGHT happen?

Crossflow said:

I suppose the idea of tossing a coin could be used but that would probably offend someone else as it also means wking.
D'you ever eat Robinson's jam? Bet you do, you bloody racist.

And now your just being silly. Last I heard Robinsons don't have the same logo on their jars since they realise the world has moved on. And then you're going off topic with "tossing" We're talking about racism. Last I checked have a wk is not frowned upon as much as old fashioned racism songs.

FiF said:

Personally it was a stupid place to go.

But that's with the benefit of hindsight post India special, post Mexico malarkey and post slope. I think that's the sequence of things.

So if that sequence is right this is from something they didn't actually air.

Where does this fit into that sequence?

See this is essentially my point. This could have all been avoided if they thought about it beforehand. So I'm glad someone else gets it.


According to Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_epis...

Gt86 was Feb 2013
Mexico "joke" was Feb 2011
India was Dec 2011
And Burma was recently.

Was it just the continuation of them being deliberately "edgy" and then overstepping the mark?

Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 4th May 21:55

[Randy Winkman]

I get the feeling that some people deliberately misunderstand all this to support a preconceived opinion.

It's 2014, what someone said in an old film or what a dog was called really isn't the point. Why not try to be nice to people, whatever their colour, sex, sexuality or religion? It used to be all the rage in the UK, being nice and polite to people (provided they were white, middle class, heterosexual Christians anyway).