Top Gear Series 21
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So if you defend him you are a racist as well....
This is rediculous, the top gear thread has been know for the utter bulls
t spouted in the past but some of you really need to get a grip, perhaps sleep on it.
He has apologised for not saying a naughty word, so what is the fking problem?
I have been known to phrase Samuel Jackson a couple of times, shiiiiiiiiiit xxxxxxxxx, that's all you had to say... Although I tend to not do it on a sales call.
So am I a racist as well?
I mean, I do think Leny Henry should go back to where he came from, but then I don't think Dudley want him either.
This is all a big storm in a tea cup and people really do need to get some what of a grip, on both sides of the argument.
And back on Topic, is Ferrari going to allow TG to have the lafezza on the track having seemingly only allowed it to be tested at fiorano? Personally I love it, but then I do really like the Porsche so would be happy to receive either for Christmas.
This is rediculous, the top gear thread has been know for the utter bulls
t spouted in the past but some of you really need to get a grip, perhaps sleep on it.He has apologised for not saying a naughty word, so what is the f
king problem?I have been known to phrase Samuel Jackson a couple of times, shiiiiiiiiiit xxxxxxxxx, that's all you had to say... Although I tend to not do it on a sales call.
So am I a racist as well?
I mean, I do think Leny Henry should go back to where he came from, but then I don't think Dudley want him either.
This is all a big storm in a tea cup and people really do need to get some what of a grip, on both sides of the argument.
And back on Topic, is Ferrari going to allow TG to have the lafezza on the track having seemingly only allowed it to be tested at fiorano? Personally I love it, but then I do really like the Porsche so would be happy to receive either for Christmas.
pork911 said:
The incident says far more about those wishing to defend him, teachers included. You don't happen to wear a track suit for work do you? Is 'teacher' a dirty word? (Other than those who can't....)
You really are a penis, aren't you? Clearly the issues are way over your head. Ironically, in the one comment above you display infinitely more ignorant, stereotyping prejudice than the man you criticise.Fact is I'm not a teacher, but you latched on to that and proved my point. The broadcast version of the controversial incident used the word teacher instead of
, but that's ok somehow because it offends a different set of people that apparently no-one gives a st about.Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th May 07:28
Edited by Gaz. on Tuesday 6th May 16:47
r11co said:
You really are a penis, aren't you? Clearly the issues are way over your head. Ironically, in the one comment above you display infinitely more ignorant, stereotyping prejudice than the man you criticise.
Fact is I'm not a teacher, but you latched on to that and proved my point. The broadcast version of the controversial incident used the word teacher instead of, but that's ok somehow because it offends a different set of people that apparently no-one gives a st about.
I find this all rather pathetic and trivial when you consider that there are real injustices going on around us, yet your all bellyaching about a 2 year old never broadcast cutting of a nursery rhyme we all know from our past.Fact is I'm not a teacher, but you latched on to that and proved my point. The broadcast version of the controversial incident used the word teacher instead of
, but that's ok somehow because it offends a different set of people that apparently no-one gives a st about.whilst we are talking teachers, one was murdered last week, not called the N word, MURDERED, as in DEAD, which do you think we should be talking about and dealing with?
in Nigeria, some Islamic nut-jobs are re-started slavery by kidnapping 200+ school girls, but you would rather b
h on about if Clarkson used the N word or not?what has happened to us as a nation where the trivial crap takes precedence over real important s
t?Scuffers said:
I find this all rather pathetic and trivial when you consider that there are real injustices going on around us, yet your all bellyaching about a 2 year old never broadcast cutting of a nursery rhyme we all know from our past.
whilst we are talking teachers, one was murdered last week, not called the N word, MURDERED, as in DEAD, which do you think we should be talking about and dealing with?
Hear here! I agree entirely, but it ain't us pushing this stuff in the media over more serious issues. We aren't the BBC directors elevating this issue to national scandal. We aren't the lawyers for Equal Justice pissing away state grants on spurious legal actions and threats.whilst we are talking teachers, one was murdered last week, not called the N word, MURDERED, as in DEAD, which do you think we should be talking about and dealing with?
Which is ultimately my point!
pork911 said:
Are you seriously suggesting he couldn't think of any other way to get his point across, such as 'it's difficult to choose between them' etc especially since his apology makes absolutely clear he was fully aware the use of the rhyme involved that word in its 'best known' form?
I'm saying that he judged that using the rhyme was a more effective way of making the point than just describing the situation. I don't think it would occur to any normal person that simply using a rhyme that in one form used racially insulting language constituted racism when such language was carefully avoided.There is an Agatha Christie novel now called 'and then there were none' because the original (best known) form of the title contained the N word. That doesn't mean that those who publish that novel under the current title are seeking to insult racial minorities.
gpo746 said:
That includes those who think others are penises simply because they have a different viewpoint.
Whoosh (again).I called him a penis not because he had a different viewpoint, but because he didn't realise he was villifying someone for allegedly being racist, and backing calls for that person to be sacked while at the same time showing ignorant prejudice and making offensive comments about another group of people, thus committing the offence he wants someone else punished for.
However, it appears that when arguments get too complicated for some people they call for them to be shut down.....
r11co said:
Dr Jekyll said:
No, he used the rhyme to make a point about the difficulty of choosing between the two cars. Are you seriously suggesting he specifically decided to use the rhyme in order to imply a racial insult?
That is exactly pork911 and the moronic lynch mob are doing. This incident says more about the people calling for the burning that the person they want burned. McCarthyism well and truly at work - "he didn't say it but we all knew what he meant!" is the crime being alleged here.The only mistake Clarkson has made in this incident is the apology where he tried to pander to the idiots who claimed they'd forensically analysed the audio and proved he'd said it. For a start the audio came from the video clip which was itself leaked therefor an illegitimate source for evidence, and even then the 'opinion' of the experts was that they were 75% sure he said it.
In other words no evidence, just inference built on the sensibilities of some people motivated to crucify a man because of what he is rather what he did.
The people who are in the wrong here are the ones calling for his head, and the ones who are seriously considering handing it over! This is a truly scary incident that runs deeper than the vilification of one entertainer.
That there are some people who are either ambivalent to what is going on here or, even worse, support the actions of the BBC means we are even further down the road to Cultural Marxism than even I thought.
But, I don't expect anything else from the BBC.
I'm pretty much the same age as Clarkson, and I don't know any other version of the nursery rhyme than the one containing the mustn't-be-mentioned-for-fear-of-being-called-a-racist word
It's the one engrained in my mind and always will be.
It's like the rewiting of history regarding the Dambusters and the furore over the code word for the successful breach of the Mohne Dam
I suspect the difference is that those who watch trendy films are assumed to be enlightened liberals who can be relied upon not to be offensive. While those of us who watch Top Gear are assumed to be morons so if JC sounds like he might have said it, or even thought about saying it while being careful not to say it, we will immediately start yelling the relevant word at any black passer by before donning a bedsheet and attempting to lynch anyone whose ancestry is further south than Calais.
Dr Jekyll said:
I suspect the difference is that those who watch trendy films are assumed to be enlightened liberals who can be relied upon not to be offensive. While those of us who watch Top Gear are assumed to be morons so if JC sounds like he might have said it, or even thought about saying it while being careful not to say it, we will immediately start yelling the relevant word at any black passer by before donning a bedsheet and attempting to lynch anyone whose ancestry is further south than Calais.
Er, that includes the south coast of England and most of Cornwall...Halmyre said:
Dr Jekyll said:
I suspect the difference is that those who watch trendy films are assumed to be enlightened liberals who can be relied upon not to be offensive. While those of us who watch Top Gear are assumed to be morons so if JC sounds like he might have said it, or even thought about saying it while being careful not to say it, we will immediately start yelling the relevant word at any black passer by before donning a bedsheet and attempting to lynch anyone whose ancestry is further south than Calais.
Er, that includes the south coast of England and most of Cornwall...Halmyre said:
Dr Jekyll said:
I suspect the difference is that those who watch trendy films are assumed to be enlightened liberals who can be relied upon not to be offensive. While those of us who watch Top Gear are assumed to be morons so if JC sounds like he might have said it, or even thought about saying it while being careful not to say it, we will immediately start yelling the relevant word at any black passer by before donning a bedsheet and attempting to lynch anyone whose ancestry is further south than Calais.
Er, that includes the south coast of England and most of Cornwall...
Halmyre said:
Dr Jekyll said:
I suspect the difference is that those who watch trendy films are assumed to be enlightened liberals who can be relied upon not to be offensive. While those of us who watch Top Gear are assumed to be morons so if JC sounds like he might have said it, or even thought about saying it while being careful not to say it, we will immediately start yelling the relevant word at any black passer by before donning a bedsheet and attempting to lynch anyone whose ancestry is further south than Calais.
Er, that includes the south coast of England and most of Cornwall...Not sure to put this in hear or start a new thread but the top gear lot where at jap fest today with 3 classic euro cars Hammond in a mgb gt, Clarkson in an old fiat and may in an old Peugeot, they were on track, along with a dyno test and a few other things. My god they look a lot older in the flesh than on tv and never reliesed may was that tall.
"The producers told us that Jap cars are far better than anything built in Europe. And we said they're wrong. But they were so adamant they were right that they gave each of us £3K and told us to buy some classic Euro cars and meet up for some challenges.
May was the first to arrive..."
Close enough?
May was the first to arrive..."
Close enough?
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