Christopher Nolan - Interstellar
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A very detailed article on the science of the film by someone with a PhD in mathematical physics.
Including a section on how the end scene is still theoretically possible.
Spoilers: http://ikjyotsinghkohli24.wordpress.com/2014/11/07...
Including a section on how the end scene is still theoretically possible.
Spoilers: http://ikjyotsinghkohli24.wordpress.com/2014/11/07...
PF62 said:
JustinP1 said:
Were there science holes? I'd actually say not
JustinP1 said:
The premise of the last act is that the wormhole and the rest were placed there by 'us' at some time in the future.
So we need to go through the wormhole, to get the information to save the human race, so the human race can survive so we can then create a wormhole to save the human race.
A pretty big hole.
The concept of the film is to engage your thought processes in a way which opens your mind to possibilities that you have not considered.
Of course, for a lot of theoretical physics we don't have experiments to prove it, nor will be able to for decades or hundreds of years, but I do believe the film gives a good description of what genuinely is possible. It gives as a 'what if' scenario.
To junk the film based upon the fact that it does not correspond with GCSE science is like trashing the concepts in say 'Contact' with the statement 'Aliens don't exist'.
That's nonsense.
If you're going to run with the idea that (for example, to avoid spoilers) going back to before you were born and killing your own father is possible, because of the multiverse, then why not just go, 'oh, let's pick the reality where the Earth didn't go to s
t in a dustbowl'?
If you're going to run with the idea that (for example, to avoid spoilers) going back to before you were born and killing your own father is possible, because of the multiverse, then why not just go, 'oh, let's pick the reality where the Earth didn't go to s
t in a dustbowl'?trashbat said:
That's nonsense.
If you're going to run with the idea that (for example, to avoid spoilers) going back to before you were born and killing your own father is possible, because of the multiverse, then why not just go, 'oh, let's pick the reality where the Earth didn't go to st in a dustbowl'?
Who says that that would be the only universe they chose? That would be very presumptuous. If you're going to run with the idea that (for example, to avoid spoilers) going back to before you were born and killing your own father is possible, because of the multiverse, then why not just go, 'oh, let's pick the reality where the Earth didn't go to s
t in a dustbowl'?If you read some of the theorists who speculate if there are other civilisations out there, somewhere in space or time, it is seriously considered that perhaps only a minority of life forms will get to the point where they can harness and control physics as they will more likely have killed themselves through war, overpopulation or even a science experiment which goes catastrophically wrong.
Seems to be doing the job - people seeing it; debating it..
I think I liked it. I'm almost tempted to see it again... it does owe a lot to films like 2001; not because it rips them off, but I think because it paying tribute. The fact the "new" 2001 trailer ran before (containing a quite from Nolan) does make sense.
I'm just happy Sci-Fi movies of this sort are back. More please.
I think I liked it. I'm almost tempted to see it again... it does owe a lot to films like 2001; not because it rips them off, but I think because it paying tribute. The fact the "new" 2001 trailer ran before (containing a quite from Nolan) does make sense.
I'm just happy Sci-Fi movies of this sort are back. More please.
JustinP1 said:
Who says that that would be the only universe they chose? That would be very presumptuous.
If you read some of the theorists who speculate if there are other civilisations out there, somewhere in space or time, it is seriously considered that perhaps only a minority of life forms will get to the point where they can harness and control physics as they will more likely have killed themselves through war, overpopulation or even a science experiment which goes catastrophically wrong.
I don't have any problem with that probability, or the idea of the multiverse.If you read some of the theorists who speculate if there are other civilisations out there, somewhere in space or time, it is seriously considered that perhaps only a minority of life forms will get to the point where they can harness and control physics as they will more likely have killed themselves through war, overpopulation or even a science experiment which goes catastrophically wrong.
The issue I have is the plot of sending your past self a message which directly leads to your ability to send that message.
If you work around that with the idea that it's not the same single instance of you, but parallel you, then who gives a s
t about anything any more?Saw this last night with OH. We both enjoyed it, though we found it hard to follow at some parts.
Plenty of food for thought in there, though I agree with other posts about the sound. Sometimes it was pretty difficult to understand what was being said.
Don't think I can see myself buying the DVD, but well worth a watch at the cinema.
8/10 from me.
Plenty of food for thought in there, though I agree with other posts about the sound. Sometimes it was pretty difficult to understand what was being said.
Don't think I can see myself buying the DVD, but well worth a watch at the cinema.
8/10 from me.
trashbat said:
JustinP1 said:
Who says that that would be the only universe they chose? That would be very presumptuous.
If you read some of the theorists who speculate if there are other civilisations out there, somewhere in space or time, it is seriously considered that perhaps only a minority of life forms will get to the point where they can harness and control physics as they will more likely have killed themselves through war, overpopulation or even a science experiment which goes catastrophically wrong.
I don't have any problem with that probability, or the idea of the multiverse.If you read some of the theorists who speculate if there are other civilisations out there, somewhere in space or time, it is seriously considered that perhaps only a minority of life forms will get to the point where they can harness and control physics as they will more likely have killed themselves through war, overpopulation or even a science experiment which goes catastrophically wrong.
The issue I have is the plot of sending your past self a message which directly leads to your ability to send that message.
If you work around that with the idea that it's not the same single instance of you, but parallel you, then who gives a s
t about anything any more?Thus, the default to our own minds is that such things which break that are impossible.
You need to escape the fact that time can only exist in one place at one time. Effectively, the life of Mahogany is like a a vinyl record. To him, he can only experience being played from start to end.
In the last act, he experienced that 'they' have total control over more than our four dimensions however they have harnessed that. Effectively, they can pick up the record player stylus to wherever they want, and show Mahogany his, and his daughter's life. Of course Mahogany uses gravity to affect particular points in space time.
He has been given the chance to effectively add grooves in his own record.
Thus, of course, when Mahogany experiences his life like a record running from start to end, those grooves are there so he would of course experience them.
Well, I'm impressed. 9/10 for me.
The acting is terrific, the young Murph is outstanding. Its an all star cast but none of the actors are overbearing and some very famous faces have some relatively minor parts. The appearance of Matt Damon really surprised me having not read much about the film before hand.
As for the storyline, its a long film but had me hooked throughout and even gave me a lump in my throat at several points. I was very surprised at what happened on the watery planet and this element really made the film special.
I did get very confused with the whole fifth dimension thing 3/4 of the way through but they recovered it with a good solid ending.
Definitely one to see on the big screen, might even buy the Blu Ray when its released.
Christopher Nolan has outdone himself, the film is a masterpiece.
The acting is terrific, the young Murph is outstanding. Its an all star cast but none of the actors are overbearing and some very famous faces have some relatively minor parts. The appearance of Matt Damon really surprised me having not read much about the film before hand.
As for the storyline, its a long film but had me hooked throughout and even gave me a lump in my throat at several points. I was very surprised at what happened on the watery planet and this element really made the film special.
I did get very confused with the whole fifth dimension thing 3/4 of the way through but they recovered it with a good solid ending.
Definitely one to see on the big screen, might even buy the Blu Ray when its released.
Christopher Nolan has outdone himself, the film is a masterpiece.
Edited by Blaster72 on Monday 10th November 16:08
Blaster72 said:
JustinP1 said:
Please use the spoiler tag for plot points Blaster72!
Done, although I'm not sure why anyone would click on a thread with this title if they want to avoid knowing anything about the film. I certainly easily avoided all threads to do with it.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff