Wheeler Dealers 2014/2015 - New Series

[JonRB]

It's an indication of how specific output and overall output have both moved on so much; 365bhp now seems a little weedy from a turbocharged V8.

[BrabusMog]

Pretty sure they spent more than they said they did. Also quite surprised that Classic Car Rescue before that was at least honest about labour costs, even if they did lie and double the BHP output, I know that WD is all about what you can do if you're willing to get your hands dirty but who has access to most of the equipment Ed does?

[JonRB]

BrabusMog said:

I know that WD is all about what you can do if you're willing to get your hands dirty but who has access to most of the equipment Ed does?

It's a fair point. Last time they needed to re-gass an aircon unit they had to outsource it. Now Edd suddenly has the very expensive-looking machine to do it, and the certification to go with it.

[Contigo]

JonRB said:

It's an indication of how specific output and overall output have both moved on so much; 365bhp now seems a little weedy from a turbocharged V8.

But they are not. Mine is 406bhp rolling roaded. It's a known fact all 3200's were underquoted by Maser for fear of upsetting the Ferrari models.

[Welshbeef]

Good episode again - a lovely car.


Air con was interesting issue and clearly not specific to the 3200.
Where do you get supercar tyres all 4 for £400.. Linglongs?


It appeared the car had been bodied previously - maybe that is the outcome of so many owners no one looking for the long term proper repair just make it error code free for a sale and pass on the problems. Infact the reason it could have so many owners is the unknown issue was too worrying for anyone to actually try to fix.


End of the day its a car saved and done properly (excl no 4wgeo done).

[Chris Type R]

It would have looked so much more refined with some snake skin decals.

The interior looks like a very nice place to be.

[Welshbeef]

JonRB said:

It's a fair point. Last time they needed to re-gass an aircon unit they had to outsource it. Now Edd suddenly has the very expensive-looking machine to do it, and the certification to go with it.

Its a show the point was highlighting the problems /potential problems and what to look for


Well done Ed and Mike.

[Contigo]

BrabusMog said:

Pretty sure they spent more than they said they did. Also quite surprised that Classic Car Rescue before that was at least honest about labour costs, even if they did lie and double the BHP output, I know that WD is all about what you can do if you're willing to get your hands dirty but who has access to most of the equipment Ed does?

The SD2/3 reader he had is specific to Maserati and is well over £10k so he certainly borrowed that diagnostic kit from someone, most likely Mike Roberts.

[Contigo]

Welshbeef said:

Where do you get supercar tyres all 4 for £400.. Linglongs?


End of the day its a car saved and done properly (excl no 4wgeo done).

Falken's £115 a pop....

[DrDoofenshmirtz]

So - ECU error codes, an engine management light 'not working'

Seriously - that was a lesson in how the car didn't fit the seller, house, area. There's a reason that car was cheap. It's because it's been owned by successive people who can't really afford it. So it's been bodged and messed around with by people who use Google with no real clue.
I wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole!

[Welshbeef]

DrDoofenshmirtz said:

So - ECU error codes, an engine management light 'not working'

Seriously - that was a lesson in how the car didn't fit the seller, house, area. There's a reason that car was cheap. It's because it's been owned by successive people who can't really afford it. So it's been bodged and messed around with by people who use Google with no real clue.
I wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole!

But its now been fixed properly and assuming everything actually has been mended (the "cambelts been checked at the last service and looked fine" I'd be changing that straight away) it would be a sound buy if its possible to overlook the fact your the 12th owner and there are plenty of other cars with normal owner numbers for the same money available - though they may need work.


It sounded great and those looks with the rear lights cloud 9 for me - always liked them and seriously tempted to run one as a daily driver.

[Contigo]

Do it, best car I've ever owned and every drive is an occasion.

[JonRB]

Contigo said:

JonRB said:

It's an indication of how specific output and overall output have both moved on so much; 365bhp now seems a little weedy from a turbocharged V8.

But they are not. Mine is 406bhp rolling roaded. It's a known fact all 3200's were underquoted by Maser for fear of upsetting the Ferrari models.

Fair enough.

But my point still stands though.

Edit: Just to clarify, I mean that the bhp arms race has changed our perceptions as to what "quite a lot" of bhp is. Back when the 3200 GT was new, 365bhp was a perfectly acceptable amount for a fast saloon to be marketed as having (regardless of its actual output), whilst today the number seems rather inadequate.

Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 15th April 08:20

[normal bloke]

lexusboy said:

That was worse than the RX7 episode.

I'm struggling to believe they didn't do a 4WG on it especially after replacing all tyres and track rod ends.

Also the dot on the tyres has generally meant SFA in my experience of fitting tyres

4WG?

Also...."As long as you make sure you count the number of turns it takes to remove the track rod end, the geometry the same"..........does it bks.

Edited by normal bloke on Tuesday 15th April 07:23

[Cfnteabag]

Would the throttle body fix(I haven't seen the episode yet only the linked you tube video) be a repair for the volvo version or would it not be cost effective on something worth a little but less than a Maserati!

[Contigo]

JonRB said:

Fair enough.

But my point still stands though.

Edit: Just to clarify, I mean that the bhp arms race has changed our perceptions as to what "quite a lot" of bhp is. Back when the 3200 GT was new, 365bhp was a perfectly acceptable amount for a fast saloon to be marketed as having (regardless of its actual output), whilst today the number seems rather inadequate.

Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 15th April 08:20

If you look at what it was pitted against it makes sense. Jag XKR and Porsche 911. So it pretty much sits above those in terms of power output. The thing with this car is the the torque at 360ft/lb. As I said at the time when the car was released under Ferrari ownership they had to be very careful and were conservative in their claimed power figures hence many cars putting out well over 400bhp. The car is fast, not far off my E61 M5 and the way it delivers the power is brutal especially if you have the 6 speed manual. The engine runs a very low compression ratio and is pretty much bullet proof with the internals good for over 500bhp. A simple tune and you are up to 450bhp which in this car is silly because you can spin the rear wheels in 3rd without any problems.

[Contigo]

Cfnteabag said:

Would the throttle body fix(I haven't seen the episode yet only the linked you tube video) be a repair for the volvo version or would it not be cost effective on something worth a little but less than a Maserati!

Do you mean would the fix work on a Volvo TB? Yes for sure but the TB used were different, both MM but not exactly the same units.

[JonRB]

Contigo said:

If you look at what it was pitted against it makes sense. Jag XKR and Porsche 911. So it pretty much sits above those in terms of power output. The thing with this car is the the torque at 360ft/lb. As I said at the time when the car was released under Ferrari ownership they had to be very careful and were conservative in their claimed power figures hence many cars putting out well over 400bhp. The car is fast, not far off my E61 M5 and the way it delivers the power is brutal especially if you have the 6 speed manual. The engine runs a very low compression ratio and is pretty much bullet proof with the internals good for over 500bhp. A simple tune and you are up to 450bhp which in this car is silly because you can spin the rear wheels in 3rd without any problems.

I was making a more hypothetical point than talking about the 3200 GT specifically.

All I was saying is that power output has steadily increased over the past decade due to a power "arms race" between various manufacturers. That seems a fairly non-contentious observation to me.

[BigBen]

JonRB said:

Contigo said:

JonRB said:

It's an indication of how specific output and overall output have both moved on so much; 365bhp now seems a little weedy from a turbocharged V8.

But they are not. Mine is 406bhp rolling roaded. It's a known fact all 3200's were underquoted by Maser for fear of upsetting the Ferrari models.

Fair enough.

But my point still stands though.

Edit: Just to clarify, I mean that the bhp arms race has changed our perceptions as to what "quite a lot" of bhp is. Back when the 3200 GT was new, 365bhp was a perfectly acceptable amount for a fast saloon to be marketed as having (regardless of its actual output), whilst today the number seems rather inadequate.

Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 15th April 08:20

It makes sense that they were putting out more than claimed, 0-60 in under 5 is about the same as my 500bhp SL55, which is likely a bit heavier but not that much.

[Contigo]

JonRB said:

I was making a more hypothetical point than talking about the 3200 GT specifically.

All I was saying is that power output has steadily increased over the past decade due to a power "arms race" between various manufacturers. That seems a fairly non-contentious observation to me.

No one is disputing that fact and it's pretty pointless really. I've done big power and actually enjoy this 365 kitten more than my 500+ german "arms race" weapon.