Line of Duty (BBC Police Drama)
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The Don of Croy said:
Having spent the early episodes with an armed team we were already told how close they are, how well trained etc., so one of them just guns down his mate after getting a txt? WTF? Just what kind of motivation is Mr Big using?
The one that did the shooting was the same firearms officer that was in the armoury when Arnott was signing his gun out (or in) - so it was almost telegraphed that something was going to happen during Dot's interview.Great series ruined with an OTT ending, took an age for any armed backup to arrive, yet there was an ambulance on scene almost immediately after Dot was shot.
I always marvel about how these complex plots get written. You have to write backwards knowing the outcome and put yourself in the position of the viewer/reader who doesn't know the subsequency of the plot. No wonder we can pick little holes in it. Still gripping nontheless. I did wonder how Dot's mate randomnly got sentry duty out of the whole armed squad.
Spoiler alert for the next series, its really about South Yorkshire Police's Hillsborough cover up
Spoiler alert for the next series, its really about South Yorkshire Police's Hillsborough cover up
One of the things that struck me as odd.... Given how "forensic evidence" played a big part in the story (eg fibres from the noose being found in the boot of Dot's service vehicle, blood and ink from the inside of the envelope etc etc), how come there were no incriminating traces of Dot found on the inside of Arnott's vehicle and there were no incriminating traces of the insides of Lindsay Denton's head found anywhere on Dot?
Didn't she herself say that the car would be "forensics ground zero" and yet nothing in the final episode made any mention??
Didn't she herself say that the car would be "forensics ground zero" and yet nothing in the final episode made any mention??
Wouldnt it just be because they didnt have a reason to test Dot and therefore wasn't anything to find? I thought it was going to end with Steve awaiting trial leading on to series 4.
When the camera focused on the guy at the armoury I knew he was going to be crucial but I thought e was going to remember Steve signing the gun back in
When the camera focused on the guy at the armoury I knew he was going to be crucial but I thought e was going to remember Steve signing the gun back in
Enjoyed the finale.
After some time dedicated to a drip drip of tension building it felt like Jed had to shoot off and passed the last few pages of writing onto Michael Bay.
Still enjoyed the OTT finish and was highly impressed with that shot hitting a moving target at that range - Yeah, I took it to be vehicle hit spooking them into a crash, not an actual hit on the driver. Kate is surely due to be poached by an armed division
After some time dedicated to a drip drip of tension building it felt like Jed had to shoot off and passed the last few pages of writing onto Michael Bay.
Still enjoyed the OTT finish and was highly impressed with that shot hitting a moving target at that range - Yeah, I took it to be vehicle hit spooking them into a crash, not an actual hit on the driver. Kate is surely due to be poached by an armed division
speedking31 said:
Great series, enjoying the slow unravelling under interview very much. But at the end, would it really have made any difference if Kate had run up the stairs and shot the driver on the main road, rather than having the RR dive around the estate?
Unless there was another passenger Dot spoke to who then left whilst out of shot....... On the subject of the "shot"
I don't know much about guns, but I always assumed that the weapons that the Police would use would not (need to) be accurate over long distances.
What weapon was she using?
Could that weapon (in the best hands) have made that shot?
I assumed over that distance you would need some sort of sniper rifle?
I don't know much about guns, but I always assumed that the weapons that the Police would use would not (need to) be accurate over long distances.
What weapon was she using?
Could that weapon (in the best hands) have made that shot?
I assumed over that distance you would need some sort of sniper rifle?
Trevatanus said:
On the subject of the "shot"
I don't know much about guns, but I always assumed that the weapons that the Police would use would not (need to) be accurate over long distances.
What weapon was she using?
Could that weapon (in the best hands) have made that shot?
I assumed over that distance you would need some sort of sniper rifle?
I just assumed the bullet hit the car, and the shock/sound of the impact caused the driver to crash. At least, that's what I would like to think happened..I don't know much about guns, but I always assumed that the weapons that the Police would use would not (need to) be accurate over long distances.
What weapon was she using?
Could that weapon (in the best hands) have made that shot?
I assumed over that distance you would need some sort of sniper rifle?
Trevatanus said:
On the subject of the "shot"
I don't know much about guns, but I always assumed that the weapons that the Police would use would not (need to) be accurate over long distances.
What weapon was she using?
Could that weapon (in the best hands) have made that shot?
I assumed over that distance you would need some sort of sniper rifle?
It was a Heckler & Koch G36 assault rifle, within it's range I would say. I don't know much about guns, but I always assumed that the weapons that the Police would use would not (need to) be accurate over long distances.
What weapon was she using?
Could that weapon (in the best hands) have made that shot?
I assumed over that distance you would need some sort of sniper rifle?
Edited by Juicetin1 on Wednesday 4th May 10:57
Juicetin1 said:
Trevatanus said:
On the subject of the "shot"
I don't know much about guns, but I always assumed that the weapons that the Police would use would not (need to) be accurate over long distances.
What weapon was she using?
Could that weapon (in the best hands) have made that shot?
I assumed over that distance you would need some sort of sniper rifle?
It was a Heckler & Koch G36 assault rifle, within it's range I would say. I don't know much about guns, but I always assumed that the weapons that the Police would use would not (need to) be accurate over long distances.
What weapon was she using?
Could that weapon (in the best hands) have made that shot?
I assumed over that distance you would need some sort of sniper rifle?
Edited by Juicetin1 on Wednesday 4th May 10:57
It was entertaining, but I don't think any police advisors were troubled during filming.
For a start.... G36 would not be fully automatic in police use. Also, why does he cock the weapon just prior to the 'quick exit', it would already be loaded and made ready.
The first time Dot raised the glock... He would have been shot!
As for the end shot... I'd have to look at the ending again and see how the shot was done, but if the plan was to shoot the front window then it would be a very impressive shot, especially with iron sights!
The G36 fires a 5.56 round. The round will travel over a mile (not accurately) but would still be dangerous. The issues would be the fact that the G36 would most likely be zero'd at 50 or 100 yards. She would unlikely have received training in moving targets or shooting at what looked like 100yrd + distances with that weapon. And it was on iron sights.
I'll have a watch again and see how the shot was portrayed.
Also... Why was the Range Rover just driving around in circles through the streets?
DS240 said:
Also... Why was the Range Rover just driving around in circles through the streets?
Exactly!Having thought about it my suspicion is that this will be scene 1 of episode 1 of the next series
Theres another pivotal character Dot spoke to who then left the car unseen before the shooting
All got a bit "24" at the end in my view.
I thought the Range Rover team were just going to shoot Dot when they found him, after all, what use is he now to them AND a huge liability if the Police caught him.
Up until the point when Dot sent the text it was all going well!
I'm not that surprised at someone hitting something as big as a Range Rover at that range, but I can't imagine a window shot was guaranteed, especially if you're to assume the driver was hit and I can't imagine blokes who drive around armed with Machine Guns would be THAT rattled about a bit of broken glass..
M.
I thought the Range Rover team were just going to shoot Dot when they found him, after all, what use is he now to them AND a huge liability if the Police caught him.
Up until the point when Dot sent the text it was all going well!
I'm not that surprised at someone hitting something as big as a Range Rover at that range, but I can't imagine a window shot was guaranteed, especially if you're to assume the driver was hit and I can't imagine blokes who drive around armed with Machine Guns would be THAT rattled about a bit of broken glass..
M.
Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 5th May 11:46
marcosgt said:
I can't imagine blokes who drive around armed with Machine Guns would be THAT rattled about a bit of broken glass..
Well they didnt seem to have any sense of direction and/or planned their escape route as they ended up driving all round the estate leaving themselves open to a long range shot from a bridge 
DS240 said:
I wouldn't worry about the details too much, the series was littered with extremely poor detailing.
It was entertaining, but I don't think any police advisors were troubled during filming.
For a start.... G36 would not be fully automatic in police use. Also, why does he cock the weapon just prior to the 'quick exit', it would already be loaded and made ready.
The first time Dot raised the glock... He would have been shot!
As for the end shot... I'd have to look at the ending again and see how the shot was done, but if the plan was to shoot the front window then it would be a very impressive shot, especially with iron sights!
The G36 fires a 5.56 round. The round will travel over a mile (not accurately) but would still be dangerous. The issues would be the fact that the G36 would most likely be zero'd at 50 or 100 yards. She would unlikely have received training in moving targets or shooting at what looked like 100yrd + distances with that weapon. And it was on iron sights.
I'll have a watch again and see how the shot was portrayed.
Also... Why was the Range Rover just driving around in circles through the streets?
It looked to be around 500 yards to the Rangie, she had been running for 5 minutes and was out of breath, had about 1-2 seconds to aim and shoot at a fast moving target with blacked-out windows and there was no telescopic sight. Amazing shot !It was entertaining, but I don't think any police advisors were troubled during filming.
For a start.... G36 would not be fully automatic in police use. Also, why does he cock the weapon just prior to the 'quick exit', it would already be loaded and made ready.
The first time Dot raised the glock... He would have been shot!
As for the end shot... I'd have to look at the ending again and see how the shot was done, but if the plan was to shoot the front window then it would be a very impressive shot, especially with iron sights!
The G36 fires a 5.56 round. The round will travel over a mile (not accurately) but would still be dangerous. The issues would be the fact that the G36 would most likely be zero'd at 50 or 100 yards. She would unlikely have received training in moving targets or shooting at what looked like 100yrd + distances with that weapon. And it was on iron sights.
I'll have a watch again and see how the shot was portrayed.
Also... Why was the Range Rover just driving around in circles through the streets?
Juicetin1 said:
DS240 said:
I wouldn't worry about the details too much, the series was littered with extremely poor detailing.
It was entertaining, but I don't think any police advisors were troubled during filming.
For a start.... G36 would not be fully automatic in police use. Also, why does he cock the weapon just prior to the 'quick exit', it would already be loaded and made ready.
The first time Dot raised the glock... He would have been shot!
As for the end shot... I'd have to look at the ending again and see how the shot was done, but if the plan was to shoot the front window then it would be a very impressive shot, especially with iron sights!
The G36 fires a 5.56 round. The round will travel over a mile (not accurately) but would still be dangerous. The issues would be the fact that the G36 would most likely be zero'd at 50 or 100 yards. She would unlikely have received training in moving targets or shooting at what looked like 100yrd + distances with that weapon. And it was on iron sights.
I'll have a watch again and see how the shot was portrayed.
Also... Why was the Range Rover just driving around in circles through the streets?
It looked to be around 500 yards to the Rangie, she had been running for 5 minutes and was out of breath, had about 1-2 seconds to aim and shoot at a fast moving target with blacked-out windows and there was no telescopic sight. Amazing shot !It was entertaining, but I don't think any police advisors were troubled during filming.
For a start.... G36 would not be fully automatic in police use. Also, why does he cock the weapon just prior to the 'quick exit', it would already be loaded and made ready.
The first time Dot raised the glock... He would have been shot!
As for the end shot... I'd have to look at the ending again and see how the shot was done, but if the plan was to shoot the front window then it would be a very impressive shot, especially with iron sights!
The G36 fires a 5.56 round. The round will travel over a mile (not accurately) but would still be dangerous. The issues would be the fact that the G36 would most likely be zero'd at 50 or 100 yards. She would unlikely have received training in moving targets or shooting at what looked like 100yrd + distances with that weapon. And it was on iron sights.
I'll have a watch again and see how the shot was portrayed.
Also... Why was the Range Rover just driving around in circles through the streets?
It's not as far as I first thought, based on the number of cars parked in the street. Between 80-100yrds max it appears to be.
It still makes it a very difficult shot.... Let alone consider the legal side of it. Justification of shooting the driver??!!
Factor in the iron sights, range, breathless shooter, limited time to track the Range Rover as it passed from a blind view, capability of the round having passed through glass, weapon zero, unstable shooting position, chances of hitting driver........
Not impossible, but very very unlikely.
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