Police Interceptors tonight
Discussion
WinstonWolf said:
I have, the police driver put both drivers in a position of increased risk due to poor planning and observation. There was a far better overtake to be had once both vehicles had joined the DC.
Exactly. Absolutely no need to go for that overtake.
Its idiots that pull alongside and leave the inside driver with nowhere to go (Friday afternoon especially bad for this) that can cause people to go onto the hard shoulder (the competent drivers choice in heavy traffic) or slam on the brakes.
Always makes me cringe when someone does this to an artic.
Also may lead to other idiots being so nervous about being boxed that they only go down the slip road in the right hand lane.
ruff'n'smov said:
R0G said:
I watched the clip in question and the civvy driver was a prat moving across the path of another vehicle on the slip road
The other driver who happened to be a cop did exactly what I would do in that situation - move into a clear lane 2
2 lane slip - if in lane 1 of slip then stay in it and enter into lane 1 of dual
- if in lane 2 of slip then enter into lane 2 if clear or behind vehicle in lane 1 unless an overtake of the vehicle in lane 1 is possible before reaching dual then overtake and enter in any safe lane of choice
Civvy driver did not look in mirrors to see overtaking vehicle or did and decided to deliberately block them
I fail to see how any other viewpoint could have merit
Copper was a dick, as for the knob waiting for the young lad what a waste of money and resource. Lincs police yokels The other driver who happened to be a cop did exactly what I would do in that situation - move into a clear lane 2
2 lane slip - if in lane 1 of slip then stay in it and enter into lane 1 of dual
- if in lane 2 of slip then enter into lane 2 if clear or behind vehicle in lane 1 unless an overtake of the vehicle in lane 1 is possible before reaching dual then overtake and enter in any safe lane of choice
Civvy driver did not look in mirrors to see overtaking vehicle or did and decided to deliberately block them
I fail to see how any other viewpoint could have merit
ToothbrushMan said:
I forgot about that and yes youre right, what the hell is going on in this country? Were tying coppers like this up for hours to sit watching other cars (that wasnt a banger and was clearly newish and well looked after) to pounce on the driver when he had driven up the road because his wheels rubbed the arches? Wow, a cracking way to spend the taxpayers money. The lad should have all limbs cut off then be burned at the stake for such a heinous offence. That car was REALLY dangerous wasnt it? Look ive said it before, where is the "slap on the wrist and advice" from coppers these days or are they now all hardened arrogant gits due to a minority of repeat offending scumbags wearing them down to the point that they just treat us all the same? OK so the lad admitted to pressing the button and raising the car once the cop had flashed his lights at him but was this really a crime worthy of him going to court for? Meanwhile some bod ringing up the police are left waiting whilst a man is acting suspiciously in their road at 2am and no coppers turn up at all. Absolutely crackers.....yes Lincolnshire Yokels indeed!
yup, agree with that...back to the lowered car, the bigger problem which PC twonk ignored was the over-wide rimms fitted with too narrow a tyre, ie, well outside the rim fitment guide for the tyres, this is actually not only stupid but dangerous as it stresses the tyre carcase and will lead to premature failure.
no matter though, let's just pick up of a bit of body rub?
either way, a pointless waste of police time (and paperwork and court time)
The cop car would have passed the Volvo before the Volvo would need to enter dual so any conflict would not be there - how come many cannot work that out ? !!!
Watch the clip again - the Volvo moves lanes when the white lines are still there separating traffic on the slip and if it had not veered into the path of the cop car forcing it to slow then by the time the white lines in the slip had ended the cop would have been in front of the Volvo
Watch the clip again - the Volvo moves lanes when the white lines are still there separating traffic on the slip and if it had not veered into the path of the cop car forcing it to slow then by the time the white lines in the slip had ended the cop would have been in front of the Volvo
GTIR said:
Symbolica said:
The acid test: what if the Volvo was the unmarked car and Jim had been driving it? If another driver had pulled a manoeuvre like the BMW did, would he have let it go? Somehow I doubt it.
What if the other driver had done a 4 week course though?R0G said:
The cop car would have passed the Volvo before the Volvo would need to enter dual so any conflict would not be there - how come many cannot work that out ? !!!
Watch the clip again - the Volvo moves lanes when the white lines are still there separating traffic on the slip and if it had not veered into the path of the cop car forcing it to slow then by the time the white lines in the slip had ended the cop would have been in front of the Volvo
disagree..Watch the clip again - the Volvo moves lanes when the white lines are still there separating traffic on the slip and if it had not veered into the path of the cop car forcing it to slow then by the time the white lines in the slip had ended the cop would have been in front of the Volvo
that would only have been the case if the road they were joining was free from traffic in lane 1 and 2, a pretty big assumption unless you have good visibility of it way before you get there.
even if the volvo had stayed left, and PC plod not been bauked, by the time they actually entered the dual, PC plod would have had to take to lane 2 to give the volvo room to join lane 1, so effectively he would have to bank on BOTH lanes being vacant, and I would suggest that without significantly more viability of the dual carriageway before the slip road, that's always going to be questionable, it would only take one car at high speed in lane 2 to then make the situation very dangerous.
Scuffers said:
disagree..
that would only have been the case if the road they were joining was free from traffic in lane 1 and 2, a pretty big assumption unless you have good visibility of it way before you get there.
even if the volvo had stayed left, and PC plod not been bauked, by the time they actually entered the dual, PC plod would have had to take to lane 2 to give the volvo room to join lane 1, so effectively he would have to bank on BOTH lanes being vacant, and I would suggest that without significantly more viability of the dual carriageway before the slip road, that's always going to be questionable, it would only take one car at high speed in lane 2 to then make the situation very dangerous.
How can you logically disagree when the cop car would have been ahead of the Volvo and both would have joined lane 1 - cop first then Volvothat would only have been the case if the road they were joining was free from traffic in lane 1 and 2, a pretty big assumption unless you have good visibility of it way before you get there.
even if the volvo had stayed left, and PC plod not been bauked, by the time they actually entered the dual, PC plod would have had to take to lane 2 to give the volvo room to join lane 1, so effectively he would have to bank on BOTH lanes being vacant, and I would suggest that without significantly more viability of the dual carriageway before the slip road, that's always going to be questionable, it would only take one car at high speed in lane 2 to then make the situation very dangerous.
Blimey, its like trying to pull teeth on here to get some people to see it in a realistic logical way
I can only assume that those who see it differently have some agenda against cops no matter what they do
R0G said:
Scuffers said:
disagree..
that would only have been the case if the road they were joining was free from traffic in lane 1 and 2, a pretty big assumption unless you have good visibility of it way before you get there.
even if the volvo had stayed left, and PC plod not been bauked, by the time they actually entered the dual, PC plod would have had to take to lane 2 to give the volvo room to join lane 1, so effectively he would have to bank on BOTH lanes being vacant, and I would suggest that without significantly more viability of the dual carriageway before the slip road, that's always going to be questionable, it would only take one car at high speed in lane 2 to then make the situation very dangerous.
How can you logically disagree when the cop car would have been ahead of the Volvo and both would have joined lane 1 - cop first then Volvothat would only have been the case if the road they were joining was free from traffic in lane 1 and 2, a pretty big assumption unless you have good visibility of it way before you get there.
even if the volvo had stayed left, and PC plod not been bauked, by the time they actually entered the dual, PC plod would have had to take to lane 2 to give the volvo room to join lane 1, so effectively he would have to bank on BOTH lanes being vacant, and I would suggest that without significantly more viability of the dual carriageway before the slip road, that's always going to be questionable, it would only take one car at high speed in lane 2 to then make the situation very dangerous.
Blimey, its like trying to pull teeth on here to get some people to see it in a realistic logical way
I can only assume that those who see it differently have some agenda against cops no matter what they do
Would you expect to pass an advanced driving test if you overtook someone in the same circumstances?
Saw this on a repeat last night (didnt watch the fist screening)
Copper drove like an idiot, and was an idiot about it, however Volvo did deliberately move over to stop copper. 50:50
Incedentally, if the Volvo had moved over less vigorously, he' still have blocked the copper (or more likely encouraged copper to make a stupid decision) and would have had a better argument that he was simply positioning to join the main carrigeway (as the dividing lines had ended).
If I was the volvo driver, I'd have said that I was positioning to join the carrigeway and left it like that - He basically admitted on camera he was trying to block the copper and that his 'swerve' was because the copper "almost lost it coming round the previous corner" (unlikely) which is unlikely to go down well if it makes it to court. If questioned about the coffee beans than he could have said siply this was due to the frustration of the stupid driving of the copper.
As it is, he may get some grief from the court over it, but its careless driving at most.
As for the copper writing him up for "causing harrasment or distress" AND "dangerous driving", what a twit n the way he handled it.. and the police wonder why there is little respect for them from the ordinary public.
Copper drove like an idiot, and was an idiot about it, however Volvo did deliberately move over to stop copper. 50:50
Incedentally, if the Volvo had moved over less vigorously, he' still have blocked the copper (or more likely encouraged copper to make a stupid decision) and would have had a better argument that he was simply positioning to join the main carrigeway (as the dividing lines had ended).
If I was the volvo driver, I'd have said that I was positioning to join the carrigeway and left it like that - He basically admitted on camera he was trying to block the copper and that his 'swerve' was because the copper "almost lost it coming round the previous corner" (unlikely) which is unlikely to go down well if it makes it to court. If questioned about the coffee beans than he could have said siply this was due to the frustration of the stupid driving of the copper.
As it is, he may get some grief from the court over it, but its careless driving at most.
As for the copper writing him up for "causing harrasment or distress" AND "dangerous driving", what a twit n the way he handled it.. and the police wonder why there is little respect for them from the ordinary public.
R0G said:
How can you logically disagree when the cop car would have been ahead of the Volvo and both would have joined lane 1 - cop first then Volvo
Blimey, its like trying to pull teeth on here to get some people to see it in a realistic logical way
I can only assume that those who see it differently have some agenda against cops no matter what they do
So if I do what that copper did I'd be perfectly within my rights to claim the Volvo was at fault if he moved fractionally later and I couldn't brake?Blimey, its like trying to pull teeth on here to get some people to see it in a realistic logical way
I can only assume that those who see it differently have some agenda against cops no matter what they do
I saw this and consider the copper at fault. The Volvo driver was imo assertively assuring that the BMW didn't block his entrance to the carriageway and I think he had every right to do that given how close to joining he was.
I'd do the same, I'm not having some pillock force me to brake (and struggle to get back to a proper joining speed) or force me onto the hard shoulder, just because they're in a bit of a rush. Blue lights would have put an entirely different perspective on things.
Given the exchange at the side of the road I think the volvo driver's initial character assessment of the copper was spot on.
Normally watching these programs, I'm 100% on the side of the police and dismayed by the sentencing, not this time though.
I'd do the same, I'm not having some pillock force me to brake (and struggle to get back to a proper joining speed) or force me onto the hard shoulder, just because they're in a bit of a rush. Blue lights would have put an entirely different perspective on things.
Given the exchange at the side of the road I think the volvo driver's initial character assessment of the copper was spot on.
Normally watching these programs, I'm 100% on the side of the police and dismayed by the sentencing, not this time though.
R0G said:
So are a lot saying that in a two lane situation separated by white lines that one vehicle cannot overtake another and be perfectly safe at the point where the white lines finish and it start to merge?
If that's a yes then many on here should not be driving!!
no, at the speeds in the vid, he would not have cleared the volvo before then end of the slip roadIf that's a yes then many on here should not be driving!!
R0G said:
Ask yourselves this ... where would the cop car have been at the point where the white lines in the slip road end if the Volvo had stayed in its lane?
along side it.the speed differential was not high enough for him to have safely cleared the volvo IMHO, and that's looking at a video in the cold light of day, at the time, with limited time to make that judgment call, I would suggest it was too tight to attempt, ie, an unnecessary high risk maneuver.
advanced driving is all about reading situations and making judgment calls accordingly based on the circumstances, and this one IMHO falls well below.
If he was in a hurry (ie. on a call etc) then with blue lights etc. to make his presence and priority known, then yes, it would not be unreasonable to 'barge' your way though, but for normal everyday driving, totally unacceptable.
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