For The Love of Cars

[Fastpedeller]

ajprice said:

e21Mark said:

The Land Rover is now for sale at a mere £59k.

Because it's "as seen on 'For The Love of Cars'"?

I just don't get this 'been on TV' thing - The item should sell on it's merits, anyone who'd pay more just because it's been on TV needs treatment.
The worst example of this is 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang' the 'car' in that film has sold for crazy money, and lets face it has little merit apart from being in a film - But people go "WOW It's Chitty Chitty Bang Bang". Rant over.

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e21Mark said:

Scuffers said:

B17NNS said:

e21Mark said:

How much did Ant actually do though? Certainly didn't see much evidence in the program.

With the timescales involved I'd say he was a hands on project manager. He openly said he had a team.

I understand the stag work was farmed out...

I believe the rest was done by Anstead's company Evanta. (Nice work if you can get it. Especially if you can then sell at inflated price to a business partner) The Land Rover is now for sale at a mere £59k.

not what I was getting at, I believe the Stag work was done outside of Anstead's company.

[JonRB]

WinstonWolf said:

Did you miss the Escort episode? You should watch it, he's a tidy fabricator. Look at the quality of the shut lines on the rebuilt front end, spot on diagonally as well as in parallel.

I think the Escort episode was the best of the series.

[AstonZagato]

Scuffers said:

e21Mark said:

Scuffers said:

B17NNS said:

e21Mark said:

How much did Ant actually do though? Certainly didn't see much evidence in the program.

With the timescales involved I'd say he was a hands on project manager. He openly said he had a team.

I understand the stag work was farmed out...

I believe the rest was done by Anstead's company Evanta. (Nice work if you can get it. Especially if you can then sell at inflated price to a business partner) The Land Rover is now for sale at a mere £59k.

not what I was getting at, I believe the Stag work was done outside of Anstead's company.

I don't think the other poster was arguing about the Stag work being done elsewhere (the film was open that the Stag's shell was shotblasted and primed elsewhere, btw). He was saying that the other cars were done by Evanta. I have no idea how much of the work was done by Evanta.

The series made it clear that significant parts of the work were subcontracted - they had specialists work on the engines of the Mini and the Escort, specialists come in and recondition the dials on the MG (IIRC), specialists build a new ash tub on the MG, etc..

I don't think they tried to disguise this.

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AstonZagato said:

I don't think the other poster was arguing about the Stag work being done elsewhere (the film was open that the Stag's shell was shotblasted and primed elsewhere, btw). He was saying that the other cars were done by Evanta. I have no idea how much of the work was done by Evanta.

The series made it clear that significant parts of the work were subcontracted - they had specialists work on the engines of the Mini and the Escort, specialists come in and recondition the dials on the MG (IIRC), specialists build a new ash tub on the MG, etc..

I don't think they tried to disguise this.

never suggested they did?

considering the timeframe etc, it was pretty much inevitable.

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Evoluzione said:

Morningside said:

I enjoyed the programme BUT I was getting annoyed when he kept repeating the auctioneer.

They repeated everything, it was 10 minutes stretched to 60 and I think they deliberately undervalued the cars. That said, I did enjoy the whole series and hope they do some more.

Yes, I've enjoyed the rest of the series, but that last programme just annoyed me. Although Ant came across well in the earlier ones, I'd hate to be with him at an auction. He reminded me of Evan Davies on Dragons Den, telling us what we've just heard the auctioneer say. And I didn't really need a recap on the history of each vehicle as they brought them on, fortunately they weren't all as long as the DeLorean bit at the start. And how many times do we need to see Jools Holland being witty about the first rule of selling cars at auction?

But I'd watch another series if they do one, just probably miss out the last one, or not watch it live.

[richard at home]

I'd love to see a real price breakdown on those motors.

I found the most annoying aspect of this show was how it's all made to look simple and cheap to do. Wheel a wreck into a shed, wave a spanner at it for '8 weeks' and hey presto a concurs winning, record braking car which is now worth double what you paid for it!

What about the £125,000 labor cost per car....?
What about the cost of the replacement parts...maybe £20k per car?
What about issues like every single nut and bolt shearing off when you try and dismantle a 50 year old car...?

I think it would make an interesting program to show just how difficult it can be to restore these cars and to give a real idea of how long it takes (if you are doing it yourself) and how much money you need to do it!

I've just refurbished the brake master cylinder and 4 flexible brake hoses on a military vehicle and that's taken a few weeks and cost over £400... Thank god the rest of the brake system is sound!

Anyway it's just a tv show and the object of the exercise is lowest common denominator entertainment. It sure beat most of the c**p on tv these days.

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SydneyBridge said:

As the auction was before the tv series started, I guess the cars were unknown and everyone was wondering why there were tv cameras at the auction and 'that bloke from life on mars' kept hugging some other bloke..

I think they'd have been told - there was one bit where they clearly cut the audio off the auctioneer saying something about "this is the last of the cars [snip]", so I guess he introduced them as a group of lots featured in a forthcoming TV series. Someone must have a catalogue.

Not only me looking at the rear arches on that Continental R in the background then. I wondered if it was one of the Sedanca ones you see advertised in the back of Octane, but I couldn't see enough of the roof.

[Mercury00]

Ant was a right annoying, patronising during the auction. He spoke to Philip like he was stupid:

Auctioneer: We have £20,000

Ant: IT'S AT £20,000. SHHHH! IT'S GOT A BID OF £20,000.

Auctioneer: £21,000 in the room.

Ant: NOW IT'S AT £21,000. DID YOU HEAR? IT'S AT £21,000.


Yes, you tt. I have eyes and ears just like you do

[tbc]

£40k for a Delorean is vastly overpriced.

I saw one in near mint condition go up at Wilsons last year and it just made it to £18k

I think with RM and Coys the people bidding the top money are just so loaded they don't care.

I'd go as far as saying that they would happily bid a few grand more just to stop someone else getting it.

I believe it's known as "plonking your big balls in the auction"

[ajprice]

tbc said:

£40k for a Delorean is vastly overpriced.

I saw one in near mint condition go up at Wilsons last year and it just made it to £18k

I think with RM and Coys the people bidding the top money are just so loaded they don't care.

I'd go as far as saying that they would happily bid a few grand more just to stop someone else getting it.

I believe it's known as "plonking your big balls in the auction"

The DeLorean was RHD, that's going to affect things, they bought it in the first place for £23k.

[JonRB]

richard at home said:

I think it would make an interesting program to show just how difficult it can be to restore these cars and to give a real idea of how long it takes (if you are doing it yourself) and how much money you need to do it!

You mean like the "Is Born" series?

Personally I found them rather dull, although that could be partly down to Mark Evans. I'd probably watch a show like that if Edd China was doing it as he comes across much better.

[tbc]

ajprice said:

tbc said:

£40k for a Delorean is vastly overpriced.

I saw one in near mint condition go up at Wilsons last year and it just made it to £18k

I think with RM and Coys the people bidding the top money are just so loaded they don't care.

I'd go as far as saying that they would happily bid a few grand more just to stop someone else getting it.

I believe it's known as "plonking your big balls in the auction"

The DeLorean was RHD, that's going to affect things, they bought it in the first place for £23k.

You can get a decent Delorean in the US for around £10-£20k, ship it over for £2k

spend about £5k swapping it to RHD and giving it a decent going over

Stick it into Coys and make yourself £12-15k profit

[crosseyedlion]

tbc said:

You can get a decent Delorean in the US for around £10-£20k, ship it over for £2k

spend about £5k swapping it to RHD and giving it a decent going over

Stick it into Coys and make yourself £12-15k profit

Apart from it was an extremely rare (35 produced iirc) factory RHD

[JonRB]

crosseyedlion said:

Apart from it was an extremely rare (35 produced iirc) factory RHD

Exactly. It's that kind of provenance that people will pay extra for.

It's the same reason that a Corrado VR6 Storm is worth a little more than a similarly specced non-Storm, and why one of the official UK-spec Skyline GT-R R34 cars is worth a little more than a grey import of similar spec.

[Eviltad]

Did the S1 LandRover not get sold to Mr Kahn from Kahn Automotive?

[AstonZagato]

It would appear that Khan currently owns it.

http://www.kahndesign.com/automobiles/automobiles_... Rover&n2=Series 1&css=25

[onyx39]

ajprice said:

tbc said:

£40k for a Delorean is vastly overpriced.

I saw one in near mint condition go up at Wilsons last year and it just made it to £18k

I think with RM and Coys the people bidding the top money are just so loaded they don't care.

I'd go as far as saying that they would happily bid a few grand more just to stop someone else getting it.

I believe it's known as "plonking your big balls in the auction"

The DeLorean was RHD, that's going to affect things, they bought it in the first place for £23k.

One of only 35 in the world so they said

[kmpowell]

Eviltad said:

Did the S1 LandRover not get sold to Mr Kahn from Kahn Automotive?

Yes, but pop Ant-khan into google and see what pops up under the Wikipedia entry...

[Eviltad]

kmpowell said:

Eviltad said:

Did the S1 LandRover not get sold to Mr Kahn from Kahn Automotive?

Yes, but pop Ant-khan into google and see what pops up under the Wikipedia entry...

What appears to be a "written by himself" self publicising Wikipedia Entry.

Am I wrong to be warming to Afzal Kahn? However much what he sells is not to my taste, is he not making a decent success of "messing about with cars"? Or is that for another thread?