For The Love of Cars
Discussion
RichB said:
ou obviously have knowledge of that particular build.
And a massive axe to grind over it too, by the look of it. 
I'm sure whoever did do the build was remunerated for it and did it to a very high standard, even if they (or their representatives) feel there should have been credit / publicity as part of the remuneration. Presumably this was made clear on any contract signed before work was undertaken and whatever stipulations there were, were accepted.
Personally, I don't really care how much was contracted out. It was good telly and I watched it in the spirit of a TV show rather than a documentary.
RichB said:
The MGTC has a metal chassis and the body is a tub that sits on it.
Fair enough. I wasn't sure if I was getting muddled up with a Morgan or not. In which case, it would be interesting to know if the chassis was retained or replaced. If the latter then it really was a Trigger's Broom. (Edited for speelung)
Edited by JonRB on Monday 2nd June 18:45
XCP said:
I was wondering how much commission the auctioneers charge ( plus VAT of course). There seemed to be no mention of this when drooling over the hammer prices.
http://www.rws-flexiweb.co.uk/flexiweb/sites/coys/...Catweazle said:
XCP said:
I was wondering how much commission the auctioneers charge ( plus VAT of course). There seemed to be no mention of this when drooling over the hammer prices.
http://www.rws-flexiweb.co.uk/flexiweb/sites/coys/...XCP said:
Catweazle said:
XCP said:
I was wondering how much commission the auctioneers charge ( plus VAT of course). There seemed to be no mention of this when drooling over the hammer prices.
http://www.rws-flexiweb.co.uk/flexiweb/sites/coys/...pretty clear:
Coys said:
10. Commission and Expenses
10.1. Coys shall be entitled to deduct from the Hammer
Price and retain a Commission of 10% plus VAT (or, in the
case of automobilia, 15% plus VAT) or such other sum
agreed by Coys in writing and Expenses and any other
sums due from the Seller to Coys.
10.2. The Seller acknowledges Coys right to retain
the Premium payable by the Buyer in accordance with
Condition 19.
19. Premium
The Buyer shall pay Coys a Premium of 15% on the first
£30,000/ €50,000 of the Hammer Price and 10% upon any
excess together with VAT thereon (“the Premium”) and
the Buyer acknowledges that Coys may also receive the
Seller’s Commission due to Coys under Condition 10.
http://www.coys.co.uk/documents/Terms_Conditions_2011.pdf10.1. Coys shall be entitled to deduct from the Hammer
Price and retain a Commission of 10% plus VAT (or, in the
case of automobilia, 15% plus VAT) or such other sum
agreed by Coys in writing and Expenses and any other
sums due from the Seller to Coys.
10.2. The Seller acknowledges Coys right to retain
the Premium payable by the Buyer in accordance with
Condition 19.
19. Premium
The Buyer shall pay Coys a Premium of 15% on the first
£30,000/ €50,000 of the Hammer Price and 10% upon any
excess together with VAT thereon (“the Premium”) and
the Buyer acknowledges that Coys may also receive the
Seller’s Commission due to Coys under Condition 10.
JonRB said:
Fair enough. I wasn't sure if I was getting muddled up with a Morgan or not. In which case, it would be interesting to know if the chassis was retained or replaced. If the latter then it really was a Trigger's Broom.
(Edited for speelung)
Not at all Jon. I just want people to know the facts. Your inference (deliberate or not) was that the guy who fronted this was clearly a real artisan. Anyone going to him for a restoration on a T Series Midget ought to know that he is not an expert in these. It seems that he didn't restore the Stag too. So maybe he's really great at restoring Minis or Escorts and if someone could confirm that he did the work on the Escort, if I bought a Mk 1, I'd definitely go and see him because that car was clearly well restored by someone who knows how to panelbeat.(Edited for speelung)
Edited by JonRB on Monday 2nd June 18:45
Interestingly enough, since you ask, the ash frame was replaced but didn't need to be - once again, a much more interesting story for TV to show its replacement.
rubystone said:
Not at all Jon. I just want people to know the facts. Your inference (deliberate or not) was that the guy who fronted this was clearly a real artisan.
Definitely not deliberate, and I think you might have misread my post. What I meant to infer (and thought I had said fairly unambiguously, although it seems not) was that the cars appeared to have been finished to a very high standard at great expense in terms of both labour and parts, and that the high prices achieved at auction reflected this. I didn't make any comment as to whose labour it was. Yawn... you lot really do go on sometimes.
Great series. Just about the right amount of geeky stuff in it to satisfy the petrol head yet enough entertainment to satisfy the general public. We really don't need to know every single person who worked on the build of each car. Most classic car restorers are boring old men who probably wouldn't even want to appear on TV. The frontman Ant was a likable bloke and worked well on screen. Glenister was there to pull it all together and did well IMO.
My missus even liked watching it and she has no interest in programs like Top Gear.
Fingers crossed for another series.
Great series. Just about the right amount of geeky stuff in it to satisfy the petrol head yet enough entertainment to satisfy the general public. We really don't need to know every single person who worked on the build of each car. Most classic car restorers are boring old men who probably wouldn't even want to appear on TV. The frontman Ant was a likable bloke and worked well on screen. Glenister was there to pull it all together and did well IMO.
My missus even liked watching it and she has no interest in programs like Top Gear.
Fingers crossed for another series.
MysteryLemon said:
Yawn... you lot really do go on sometimes.
Great series. Just about the right amount of geeky stuff in it to satisfy the petrol head yet enough entertainment to satisfy the general public. We really don't need to know every single person who worked on the build of each car. Most classic car restorers are boring old men who probably wouldn't even want to appear on TV. The frontman Ant was a likable bloke and worked well on screen. Glenister was there to pull it all together and did well IMO.
My missus even liked watching it and she has no interest in programs like Top Gear.
Fingers crossed for another series.
I enjoyed it too. I don't know what people expect; it's telly for Pete's sake!Great series. Just about the right amount of geeky stuff in it to satisfy the petrol head yet enough entertainment to satisfy the general public. We really don't need to know every single person who worked on the build of each car. Most classic car restorers are boring old men who probably wouldn't even want to appear on TV. The frontman Ant was a likable bloke and worked well on screen. Glenister was there to pull it all together and did well IMO.
My missus even liked watching it and she has no interest in programs like Top Gear.
Fingers crossed for another series.
One mo - if Coy's charge the seller 10% plus VAT on £40k, that's £4800.00 so they net £35200 and therefore short of the £37500 pre-sale offer.
Is that correct?
Plus the buyer has now agreed to pay £40k, plus £6600 commission and VAT according to figures above...?
So if they'd accepted the offer they'd have received more wonga, the buyer would be considerably better off, Coys can get stuffed and HMRC gets the hump.
Is that correct?
Plus the buyer has now agreed to pay £40k, plus £6600 commission and VAT according to figures above...?
So if they'd accepted the offer they'd have received more wonga, the buyer would be considerably better off, Coys can get stuffed and HMRC gets the hump.
The Don of Croy said:
One mo - if Coy's charge the seller 10% plus VAT on £40k, that's £4800.00 so they net £35200 and therefore short of the £37500 pre-sale offer.
Is that correct?
Plus the buyer has now agreed to pay £40k, plus £6600 commission and VAT according to figures above...?
So if they'd accepted the offer they'd have received more wonga, the buyer would be considerably better off, Coys can get stuffed and HMRC gets the hump.
basically, yesIs that correct?
Plus the buyer has now agreed to pay £40k, plus £6600 commission and VAT according to figures above...?
So if they'd accepted the offer they'd have received more wonga, the buyer would be considerably better off, Coys can get stuffed and HMRC gets the hump.
hence why they wanted to buy out before auction (although if they pulled it they would still have some fee's to pay)
err... and that's the point of a "chat" forum. rubystone said:
...I just want people to know the facts. Your inference (deliberate or not) was that the guy who fronted this was clearly a real artisan. Anyone going to him for a restoration on a T Series Midget ought to know that he is not an expert in these. <clip>
As you've not said, I must ask you directly; how do you know so much about the TC restoration and do you have any connection with the MG place in Hertfordshire you have mentioned? Neither have you commented on my earlier statement that I saw a good section of the program showing Ant actually making the TC body tub. Are you suggesting this was a fabrication (see what I did there
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