The Stone Roses: Made of Stone.
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"The drummer's gone 'ome. The drummer's a 
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Excellent stuff
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I agree with Liam Gallagher. The Roses were a brilliant band, easily the best to come out of Manchester. Reni and Squire are outstanding musicians, it's just such a shame they have so little work to show for their careers.
."Excellent stuff
!I agree with Liam Gallagher. The Roses were a brilliant band, easily the best to come out of Manchester. Reni and Squire are outstanding musicians, it's just such a shame they have so little work to show for their careers.
Edited by Bradgate on Sunday 20th April 01:31
I watched this last night and was instantly transported back to 1989/90. Brilliant stuff. It is a crying shame that they don't have a bigger body of work to show for their efforts/influence.
Every decade has at least a couple of bands that change things moving forwards. In the 1960s it was The Beatles & The Rolling Stones, in the 1970s The Clash & Sex Pistols, 1980s The Smiths & The Stone Roses, 1990s Blur & Oasis etc etc.
Every decade has at least a couple of bands that change things moving forwards. In the 1960s it was The Beatles & The Rolling Stones, in the 1970s The Clash & Sex Pistols, 1980s The Smiths & The Stone Roses, 1990s Blur & Oasis etc etc.
A dissenting voice... As a preamble, I'm a huge Roses fan & I'm in the crowd scenes in MoS although you'd never spot me!
I've loved that band ever since ever since. For me, as a dyed in the wool devotee of John Squire, I can see clearly that they were far more than the sum of their parts. Every so often a band comes along with members that make at least an equal contribution to the whole. Ian Brown - couldn't really carry a tune in a bucket, but had the swagger to mesmerise & the lyrical sensibility to invoke the feeling of the times and a bunch of quasi religious imagery thrown in for good measure.
Squire, not particularly innovative, really a pentatonic player who recycles his best moves from one tune to another - you can hear parts of Adored in Made of Stone & Driving South if you listen closely enough. Mani, driving the groove with his dance feel bass lines, although you have to wonder how many of them Squire came up with but above all, Reni.
I'm convinced he was by far & away the best musician in that band, it's so easy to look upon a drummer as someone making up the numbers, but his lines are so nuanced, varied & flowing, it blows me away to this day when I tune in on his playing. He was for me the stand out member of that band.
Anyway, the problem I have with MoS is it's made by someone who feels the way I do - it's a love letter to the band. It would have been better had it been made by someone more critical or at least willing to probe them a little more. You leave with more questions than answers. What happened at Reading? Why is Aziz not mentioned? Why did they get through three producers & end up with a junior engineer producing the 2nd coming? Why was Squire allowed to change them into a heavy rock outfit at that time?
What was the aftermath of Amsterdam? When is the third album coming? After the Heineken arena, Meadows does a piece to camera in his hotel where he more or less says he wants to keep out of their way. Why is he afraid to confront them? Why so reverential?
It's a great watch & one for the fans to cherish but it could have told much more of the story than it did. Also, too much Parr Hall, although in fairness it totally captured the sheer sense of excitement on that day.
I've loved that band ever since ever since. For me, as a dyed in the wool devotee of John Squire, I can see clearly that they were far more than the sum of their parts. Every so often a band comes along with members that make at least an equal contribution to the whole. Ian Brown - couldn't really carry a tune in a bucket, but had the swagger to mesmerise & the lyrical sensibility to invoke the feeling of the times and a bunch of quasi religious imagery thrown in for good measure.
Squire, not particularly innovative, really a pentatonic player who recycles his best moves from one tune to another - you can hear parts of Adored in Made of Stone & Driving South if you listen closely enough. Mani, driving the groove with his dance feel bass lines, although you have to wonder how many of them Squire came up with but above all, Reni.
I'm convinced he was by far & away the best musician in that band, it's so easy to look upon a drummer as someone making up the numbers, but his lines are so nuanced, varied & flowing, it blows me away to this day when I tune in on his playing. He was for me the stand out member of that band.
Anyway, the problem I have with MoS is it's made by someone who feels the way I do - it's a love letter to the band. It would have been better had it been made by someone more critical or at least willing to probe them a little more. You leave with more questions than answers. What happened at Reading? Why is Aziz not mentioned? Why did they get through three producers & end up with a junior engineer producing the 2nd coming? Why was Squire allowed to change them into a heavy rock outfit at that time?
What was the aftermath of Amsterdam? When is the third album coming? After the Heineken arena, Meadows does a piece to camera in his hotel where he more or less says he wants to keep out of their way. Why is he afraid to confront them? Why so reverential?
It's a great watch & one for the fans to cherish but it could have told much more of the story than it did. Also, too much Parr Hall, although in fairness it totally captured the sheer sense of excitement on that day.
Justin Cyder said:
... Reni.
I'm convinced he was by far & away the best musician in that band, it's so easy to look upon a drummer as someone making up the numbers, but his lines are so nuanced, varied & flowing, it blows me away to this day when I tune in on his playing. He was for me the stand out member of that band.
Like Mel Pritchard - of BJH - maybe?I'm convinced he was by far & away the best musician in that band, it's so easy to look upon a drummer as someone making up the numbers, but his lines are so nuanced, varied & flowing, it blows me away to this day when I tune in on his playing. He was for me the stand out member of that band.
By way of illustration, someone posted the isolated parts of the band for Rocksmith or some such game from Love Spreads.. Here they are. Reni first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iePKcrATSA
John Squire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY7FIkWepJY
Mani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhoVFbyHz_c
For the diehards, Ian Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH7HEiMYUWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iePKcrATSA
John Squire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY7FIkWepJY
Mani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhoVFbyHz_c
For the diehards, Ian Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH7HEiMYUWA
Great documentary - I love any music rockumentary. Even though i'm mainly into metal and punk, I do have a soft spot for some of the Manchester bands like The Stone Roses, The Smiths and Oasis - proper guitar music. Love the slow motion opening scene to this film, AND it's by Shane Meadows who I've been a fan of for many a year.
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