Better Call Saul - Prequel to Breaking Bad

Better Call Saul - Prequel to Breaking Bad

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Janluke

2,591 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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schmunk said:
Janluke said:
Every time the titles run and end abruptly I think my ruko/netflix account has frozen. Catches me everytime :-)
hehe

Today - Those naughty Kettlemans, eh...?
20 mins in

Miguel Alvarez

4,944 posts

171 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Vyse said:
So we are 6 hours into a 10 hour season and we still dont know what the story arc is.
I'm glad this has been said as it's one of my main concerns. Obviously the people writing this are the pros so you trust that they know what they are doing but I found Boardwalk Empire suffered from the same problem of massive character development then rushing to bring the season to a close in the last episode.

That said it was good to see some more of Mike and his back story.


GetCarter

29,407 posts

280 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Best ep. so far today IMHO

Digitalize

2,850 posts

136 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Hugely interesting episode today. Loved it.

P-Jay

10,581 posts

192 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Miguel Alvarez said:
Vyse said:
So we are 6 hours into a 10 hour season and we still dont know what the story arc is.
I'm glad this has been said as it's one of my main concerns. Obviously the people writing this are the pros so you trust that they know what they are doing but I found Boardwalk Empire suffered from the same problem of massive character development then rushing to bring the season to a close in the last episode.

That said it was good to see some more of Mike and his back story.
I was thinking the story was pretty simple - we start with a wide-eyed morally secure, but struggling Lawyer - through his meetings with his brother we learn about his transformation from Slippery Jimmy, to James McGill, now we're witnessing a slow transformation from James McGill to Saul Goodman - the building blocks are here - the dubious billboard add and shameless self-promotion and his bending and breaking the rules and his forced relationship with Nacho - you can all see these things creating the Saul Goodman we all know and love from BB, but I don't think we'll see him till episode 10, if at all this series.

After all, once he becomes Saul Goodman, how far can they take it before BB starts, the story is a cul de sac really.

Kaj91

4,705 posts

122 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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I thought last weeks was much better, Mike stealing the money from the Kettlemans house and then returning it just doesn't sit right.

Digitalize

2,850 posts

136 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Kaj91 said:
I thought last weeks was much better, Mike stealing the money from the Kettlemans house and then returning it just doesn't sit right.
Jimmy did it to force their hand in to returning to HHM and the deal, as they'd already 'returned' the money.

Janluke

2,591 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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P-Jay said:
I was thinking the story was pretty simple - we start with a wide-eyed morally secure, but struggling Lawyer - through his meetings with his brother we learn about his transformation from Slippery Jimmy, to James McGill, now we're witnessing a slow transformation from James McGill to Saul Goodman - the building blocks are here - the dubious billboard add and shameless self-promotion and his bending and breaking the rules and his forced relationship with Nacho - you can all see these things creating the Saul Goodman we all know and love from BB, but I don't think we'll see him till episode 10, if at all this series.

After all, once he becomes Saul Goodman, how far can they take it before BB starts, the story is a cul de sac really.
I would say he's morally insecure but trying to do the right thing at the moment. The glimpses of his past ie the watch con and the warnings from his brother suggest he's had a dodgy past and thats his normal MO. There must be a reason he didnt work for his brother's firm.

Not sure about the cul de sac either as the opening scenes seemed to show him post BB hiding out. There could be a whole new story line there. Mind you at this pace(which I'm mostly OK with) it could take 8 seasons/series to get to BB

Kaj91

4,705 posts

122 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Digitalize said:
Kaj91 said:
I thought last weeks was much better, Mike stealing the money from the Kettlemans house and then returning it just doesn't sit right.
Jimmy did it to force their hand in to returning to HHM and the deal, as they'd already 'returned' the money.
Jimmy is broke, he had to return his $30k, Mike is a car park attendant who is under investigation for a double murder, yet they returned $1.6 million in cash

Digitalize

2,850 posts

136 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Kaj91 said:
Jimmy is broke, he had to return his $30k, Mike is a car park attendant who is under investigation for a double murder, yet they returned $1.6 million in cash
Forgot the spoiler tags!

Yes but Jimmy is doing it for the girl, hence his frustration at the end because he lost his new office building, and his chance of getting her to be partner, and Mike owed Jimmy for his help, and you're forgetting what would they do with $1.6million? Spend it? It's unusable money basically. And it's not Breaking Bad times yet

Kaj91

4,705 posts

122 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Digitalize said:
Kaj91 said:
Jimmy is broke, he had to return his $30k, Mike is a car park attendant who is under investigation for a double murder, yet they returned $1.6 million in cash
Forgot the spoiler tags!

Yes but Jimmy is doing it for the girl, hence his frustration at the end because he lost his new office building, and his chance of getting her to be partner, and Mike owed Jimmy for his help, and you're forgetting what would they do with $1.6million? Spend it? It's unusable money basically. And it's not Breaking Bad times yet
Maybe Jimmy has still got something of a moral compass, as we know Saul didn't.

Digitalize

2,850 posts

136 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Kaj91 said:
Maybe Jimmy has still got something of a moral compass, as we know Saul didn't.
Similar to BB, I think this is about his transformation from morally sound-ish lawyer, to Saul.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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You know what. You have to admire the sheer brass balls and commitment for them to play six solid unbroken minutes of basically the coolest track this side of a Tarantino movie whilst Mike staked out the Kettlemans. No dialogue or pace there whatsoever. Awesome cool

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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I'm going to miss Mrs Kettleman.




schmunk

4,399 posts

126 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Kaj91 said:
Maybe Jimmy has still got something of a moral compass, as we know Saul didn't.
Exactly - at this point, Jimmy and Mike are both basically decent individuals. Time and circumstances drive them to their Breaking Bad roles, and this is what we'll watch over the rest of Better Call Saul.

Kaj91

4,705 posts

122 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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schmunk said:
Kaj91 said:
Maybe Jimmy has still got something of a moral compass, as we know Saul didn't.
Exactly - at this point, Jimmy and Mike are both basically decent individuals. Time and circumstances drive them to their Breaking Bad roles, and this is what we'll watch over the rest of Better Call Saul.
In last weeks episode we learned that Mike killed two cops before leaving Philadelphia in a bit of a hurry

smn159

12,731 posts

218 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Kaj91 said:
schmunk said:
Kaj91 said:
Maybe Jimmy has still got something of a moral compass, as we know Saul didn't.
Exactly - at this point, Jimmy and Mike are both basically decent individuals. Time and circumstances drive them to their Breaking Bad roles, and this is what we'll watch over the rest of Better Call Saul.
In last weeks episode we learned that Mike killed two cops before leaving Philadelphia in a bit of a hurry
Yes, but they were two bad cops, which presumably makes him a good guy in the US

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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Kaj91 said:
In last weeks episode we learned that Mike killed two cops before leaving Philadelphia in a bit of a hurry
Both Mike and Jimmy think of themselves as on the right side of the law, even though they are criminals. Mike only murdered dirty cops, and Jimmy isn't really trying to hurt anyone. It's entirely sensible that they'd return the money, especially since both of them would be under police observation.

Nimby

4,604 posts

151 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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P-Jay said:
After all, once he becomes Saul Goodman, how far can they take it before BB starts, the story is a cul de sac really.
BCS is set six years before BB, which spanned two years altogether (Walt's 50th to 52nd birthdays) so there's plenty of room timewise.

Janluke

2,591 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th March 2015
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smn159 said:
Kaj91 said:
schmunk said:
Kaj91 said:
Maybe Jimmy has still got something of a moral compass, as we know Saul didn't.
Exactly - at this point, Jimmy and Mike are both basically decent individuals. Time and circumstances drive them to their Breaking Bad roles, and this is what we'll watch over the rest of Better Call Saul.
In last weeks episode we learned that Mike killed two cops before leaving Philadelphia in a bit of a hurry
Yes, but they were two bad cops, which presumably makes him a good guy in the US
Wasnt that the point though. Mikes son trying to be good upright cop, Mike rotten and on the take with the rest of them. I was wondering how he could end up working for WW when indirectly drug dealers killed his son but of course he's always been corrupt albeit with his own sense of morals