Better Call Saul - Prequel to Breaking Bad

Better Call Saul - Prequel to Breaking Bad

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Lost soul

8,712 posts

183 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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GetCarter said:
I watched all of BB a second time and it was WAY better. Humour I'd missed jumped out... well worth doing.
I also enjoyed it as much second time around , lots of detail you miss the first time around

Digitalize

2,850 posts

136 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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From Breaking Bad:


Yazar

1,476 posts

121 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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Spotted that and found the scene hilarious, Belize also came up too.

tom2019

770 posts

196 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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When did him and Mike have 1.6mil on the table have I missed something?

Kaj91

4,705 posts

122 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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tom2019 said:
When did him and Mike have 1.6mil on the table have I missed something?
Mike "removed the 1.6mil from the Kettlemans house and then handed it in, in order to get them to take the deal.

Kaj91

4,705 posts

122 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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A couple of posts from earlier in the thread,

Digitalize said:
Kaj91 said:
I thought last weeks was much better, Mike stealing the money from the Kettlemans house and then returning it just doesn't sit right.
Jimmy did it to force their hand in to returning to HHM and the deal, as they'd already 'returned' the money.

Yazar

1,476 posts

121 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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RumpleFugly said:
Love this show, a great finish and a lot lined up for S2.


Who was Mike talking about on the phone? "You've worked with him before"... Fring maybe? Can't wait to find out.
Unlikely to see 'him' for a while yet, as Mike is not at that stage yet: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/better-c...

Rick101

6,970 posts

151 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Nice episode.

Some nice cars featured too.

Ps

You. Are not. The guy.

krunchkin

2,209 posts

142 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Sorry I thought the final episode was weak as hell. God the interminable montages in this show! And that bingo sequence! 10 minutes of calling bingo numbers? It just felt like filler. Why go to Chicago and then immediately decide to come back just as you start enjoying life again? Didn't work for me at all

Melman Giraffe

6,759 posts

219 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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So we could understand why he is call Slipping Jimmy

Miguel Alvarez

4,944 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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I don't know how I feel about this show. I go through moments of thinking it's genius to moments of thinking "come on pick up the pace". Last night was one of those speed it up please moments.

I think when the next season comes round I'm going to avoid it till it closes and watch the lot over a couple of days.

simonrockman

6,858 posts

256 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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All the whole series did was establish characters that could be done in fewer than half as many episodes.

Simon

Miguel Alvarez

4,944 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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My concern is that this show can run and run without going anywhere. A few nods to BB here and there is all well and fine but it really should be standing on it's own two feet by now. The worst part is it doesn't even have to reach a climatic point as it can end at any point as it's a back story.

I want to enjoy this show for what it is not what it could be.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

213 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Miguel Alvarez said:
My concern is that this show can run and run without going anywhere. A few nods to BB here and there is all well and fine but it really should be standing on it's own two feet by now. The worst part is it doesn't even have to reach a climatic point as it can end at any point as it's a back story.

I want to enjoy this show for what it is not what it could be.
The opening sequence to the very first episode is Jimmy, looking very different, working in a bakery. One can only assume either in witness protection or trying to start a new life with a new identity. So I think the writers already have each season roughly plotted and it'll all wind up explaining how Jimmy gets to the bakery.

Bullett

10,889 posts

185 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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We know how he gets to the bakery, it's how he gets to be Saul that we are watching.


P-Jay

10,579 posts

192 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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krunchkin said:
Sorry I thought the final episode was weak as hell. God the interminable montages in this show! And that bingo sequence! 10 minutes of calling bingo numbers? It just felt like filler. Why go to Chicago and then immediately decide to come back just as you start enjoying life again? Didn't work for me at all
The Bingo sequence showed him having a sort of mini-mental breakdown, he starts off the same old James McGill, Lawyer and friend of the elderly, through calling all the 'B' numbers he's reminded of his brother and realises that his Brother doesn't actually like him, he pities him - once he stopped being James the middle-aged man working in the mailroom and became James McGill Lawyer, his brother quickly loses pity for him and demeans him by telling initially not to use his own name (riding on his coat tails) and further by telling him he's not good enough to work for his firm. I agree it wasn't exciting, but really it only goes on for 5-10 minutes and it's pivotal in what we've all been waiting for - James becoming Saul.

The trip to Chicago is his 'blow out' in the same way that a break up can make men go out on a bender, chasing rough women and doing all the things they couldn't when they're in a relationship it's party release and partly 'showing them' - after a week, he gets it out of his system and wants to return back to being a lawyer. It also server to tell us what a Chicago Sunroof is, and how he pulled off being Kevin Costner.

Finally, freed from wanting to prove to his brother that he's a decent, honest person and no longer 'Slipping Jimmy' he has an epiphany of sorts. He doesn't want to take the new job with the respectable firm - it serves no purpose - it's not 'him' really, it's what he thought his brother wanted - but really he wants him in the mailroom to pity because he knows deep down his 'condition' is entirely mental - placing pity on someone for failing of their own doing is a classic way of compensating for feelings of failure because of one of your own.

Anyway, that moment, as brilliantly illustrated by the picture above, when he turns around and leaves (after chatting to Mike for a bit) is the 'money shot' of the whole series - he might not have come up with the name yet - but that was Saul Goodman leaving.

In a more traditional TV series, that last scene wouldn't have worked, because they wouldn't risk putting in the slow, boring Bingo scene, so it would have had to have been more sensational - you can't have one without the other.

That's what I took from it anyway.

Melman Giraffe

6,759 posts

219 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Miguel Alvarez said:
I don't know how I feel about this show. I go through moments of thinking it's genius to moments of thinking "come on pick up the pace". Last night was one of those speed it up please moments.

I think when the next season comes round I'm going to avoid it till it closes and watch the lot over a couple of days.
Let be honest BB took a while to get going season 2

Hooli

32,278 posts

201 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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My missus seems to love it, I'm finding it even duller than BB.

Miguel Alvarez

4,944 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Melman Giraffe said:
Miguel Alvarez said:
I don't know how I feel about this show. I go through moments of thinking it's genius to moments of thinking "come on pick up the pace". Last night was one of those speed it up please moments.

I think when the next season comes round I'm going to avoid it till it closes and watch the lot over a couple of days.
Let be honest BB took a while to get going season 2
I disagree whilst it's nowhere as downhill fast as the last season. Season 1, you've got murders, bodies being disolved, houses being wrecked, undercover operations, kleptomaniacs, cancer etc. In effect within 2/3 episodes you know who Walt is and why he is doing what he does.

BCS is unique as it's started off in a very priviledged position. I go from watching it thinking about BB to watching it as a stand alone piece of work. I'm really undecided.

Melman Giraffe

6,759 posts

219 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Miguel Alvarez said:
Melman Giraffe said:
Miguel Alvarez said:
I don't know how I feel about this show. I go through moments of thinking it's genius to moments of thinking "come on pick up the pace". Last night was one of those speed it up please moments.

I think when the next season comes round I'm going to avoid it till it closes and watch the lot over a couple of days.
Let be honest BB took a while to get going season 2
I disagree whilst it's nowhere as downhill fast as the last season. Season 1, you've got murders, bodies being disolved, houses being wrecked, undercover operations, kleptomaniacs, cancer etc. In effect within 2/3 episodes you know who Walt is and why he is doing what he does.

BCS is unique as it's started off in a very priviledged position. I go from watching it thinking about BB to watching it as a stand alone piece of work. I'm really undecided.
Agree with most of what you say, however we are trying to compare apples with pears tbh