Strictly Come Dancing 2014 (Official Thread)

[JonRB]

MrsMiggins said:

Wrong!

A matter of opinion can't, by definition, be wrong. Only matters of fact can be. What you mean is that you disagree, surely?

[MrsMiggins]

How can you have a dance-off that isn't solely focussed on this week? How do you suggest they dance-off 8 week's worth of effort?

You eliminate each week based on performance each week. That's the way it is.

[MrsMiggins]

JonRB said:

A matter of opinion can't, by definition, be wrong. Only matters of fact can be. What you mean is that you disagree, surely?

No, you're wrong too.

[JonRB]

ash73 said:

I don't agree, they should judge them on all their performances throughout the series. In Simon's favour he has improved a lot, which is a good story, but Pixie is on a different level. She was stitched up.

Sorry, but I think you're just grasping at straws to justify your personal disappointment. The dance-off judging is always explicitly on that weekend's dance. It's always been thus. Simon was fortunate to have a dance that suited him this week. That's just how it goes.

[RichB]

ash73 said:

...they should judge them on all their performances throughout the series...

Except that with your idea there would be no point in the dance off. Tess would announce the bottom two and the judges would state on which one goes. Not very good as an entertainment show.

[Bonefish Blues]

ash73 said:

Bonefish Blues said:

MrsMiggins said:

Wrong! You can't judge on anything other than what they do, and Simon did better with the dance he had this week. He even fixed the arms that Darcey picked up on first time round. Simon deserved to go through.

Agree - Simon nailed that dance.

I don't agree, they should judge them on all their performances throughout the series. In Simon's favour he has improved a lot, which is a good story, but Pixie is on a different level. She was stitched up.

They shouldn't, but they sort of do, except when your partner has given the Head Judge some lip...

[Black can man]

Someone has to leave , I thought Pixie & Trent's dance was ordinary at best.

[Lordglenmorangie]

Black can man said:

Someone has to leave , I thought Pixie & Trent's dance was ordinary at best.

Have to agree

[Fishtigua]

Lordglenmorangie said:

Black can man said:

Someone has to leave , I thought Pixie & Trent's dance was ordinary at best.

Have to agree

I've only just watched it, Pixie was simply not as good as Simon.

[JonRB]

Fishtigua said:

I've only just watched it, Pixie was simply not as good as Simon.

Not even that. Simon did his given dance this week better than Pixie did her given dance this week. The fact that Simon's dance suited him better this week was just the way the dice rolled.

I have to say that it didn't help that Pixie's costume this week was awful and the fact her hair went wild and frizzy within 10 seconds didn't help either. Yes, I know, that shouldn't have anything to do with dancing but, meh, it did.

[Blakewater]

Certain things happen every single year without fail. The tabloid newspapers find someone they claim has an unfair advantage over the other contestants because of previous dancing experience and Len takes against certain contestants and coaches and sees them off the show with nasty comments and biased judging.

Pixie went to drama school, just like all the other actors and performers. If that puts her at an unfair advantage she shouldn't have been asked to take part in the first place. She shouldn't be allowed on and then penalised.

Disallow every person with drama experience and every sports person the media say has an unfair advantage and you're left with John Sergeant and Ann Widdecombe.

[Truckosaurus]

Ace-T said:

Wow, unexpected. Trent having to go on and do a dance to the musical interlude straight after that bombshell too. Professional.

You do know it is all pre-recorded and filmed out of sequence?

As for people saying the vote-off should be done on the whole series' performance I think that;s wrong as it doesn't allow for contestants to improve (the dreaded 'journey') and would favour those who started well due to having more of a performance background.

Finally, Jake to win.

[NBTBRV8]

richtea78 said:

I saw a spoiler earlier through a friend of a friend so it's a bit gutting. I normally am very careful to avoid them but this was one of those friend of a friend comments that Facebook helpfully shows you!

Me too. I haven't seen this week yet, but I saw a headline on my feed which ruined it for me, I should know better as I normally black ban looking but it was posted very quickly.

I am gutted that Pixie is out, but if this week she was the weakest, then so be it. She was a worthy finalist and I think Mark should have gone before her.

Still rooting for Caroline to win.

Edited by NBTBRV8 on Monday 8th December 09:29

[Antony Moxey]

Truckosaurus said:

You do know it is all pre-recorded and filmed out of sequence?

Yep. Any idea how the whole sequence is filmed though? Sometimes I think I've worked it out and other times not. I'm not sure when the Sunday opening sequence and the guest band fit into it all.

Anyone know how the whole running order goes?

[Black can man]

JonRB said:

Not even that. Simon did his given dance this week better than Pixie did her given dance this week. The fact that Simon's dance suited him better this week was just the way the dice rolled.

I have to say that it didn't help that Pixie's costume this week was awful and the fact her hair went wild and frizzy within 10 seconds didn't help either. Yes, I know, that shouldn't have anything to do with dancing but, meh, it did.

I thought Pixie's costume was bloody fantastic



I felt the choice of song was way wrong too, The iconic Love shack's lyrics by the B52's really cannot be rearranged or messed with & the fabulous Dave Arch & his band was not up to this song.


You know i'm convinced that some songs are just so wrong for the dances & straight away i'm thinking 'this is a poor dance" when it really is not at all.


Mrs BCM & myself really couldn't warm to Caroline at first but she seems to be winning us over now, Her dance on saturday was up there with the best.

Edited by Black can man on Monday 8th December 08:38

[Truckosaurus]

Antony Moxey said:

Any idea how the whole sequence is filmed though?

It would make sense that the Sunday pro-dances and musical guests are filmed during the gap between the end of the main Saturday show (does that show even go out live?) and the closing of the phone lines. The spoilers get posted online around 10pm.

[Cobnapint]

Truckosaurus said:

It would make sense that the Sunday pro-dances and musical guests are filmed during the gap between the end of the main Saturday show (does that show even go out live?)

I don't think it is 'quite' live. Last year we noticed a definite edit during one of Abbey Clance's dances. If I recall it was during a lift. The move started at one point, and without anybody moving their feet, in the next shot they were about 6 feet away from the previous shots starting position. There was a kink in the audio too.

We played it back many times, it wasn't a camera angle or dance floor lighting thing - a definite cut. I'm guessing he must have dropped her or something. Probably bad enough to completely ruin the dance sequence and they ran it again from that point for show continuity.

[RichB]

Cobnapint said:

I don't think it is 'quite' live. <clip> There was a kink in the audio too.

Plus all the hysterical whooping and screaming is dubbed over the audience while they sit politely clapping.

[Cobnapint]

RichB said:

Cobnapint said:

I don't think it is 'quite' live. <clip> There was a kink in the audio too.

Plus all the hysterical whooping and screaming is dubbed over the audience while they sit politely clapping.

Yes. There's also a female who's clearly part of the crew, probably located on the side of the dance floor directly opposite the stage (where most of the cameras and props sit) giving the exact same scream every week. She sounds like a party horn without the rolly paper bit on.

Anyway, I think I've found what I was on about. It was week 7, just before Abbey's final lift during her excellent Charleston.

As the boom camera spins around at 1:04, notice they are coming to the end of the penultimate sequence to OUR left of the stage/dance floor centre line. But at 1:07, in the next shot, they complete the last second of this sequence bang on the centre line, and continue to the routine's final lift and finish.

My guess is they had a routine-stopping moment where gravity was the winner and they had to do a re-take. Very much like they reportedly had to do on a regular basis when Brucie made a habit of dropping his lines.

Doesn't matter though. Just observations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5G4IBFsZ-Y

[Blakewater]

I know someone who got a place in the audience last year. From what I gather the professional dancers go first with the routine you see in the opening of Saturday's show. Then the contestants dance. Then the singers perform while the phone vote is on and the dance of and results come in late evening.

It's pretty much the order you see it on television but it goes on all day with a lot of faffing around, rehearsals and retakes and the audience have to be in their seats long before filming starts.

A friend of mine used to work as a professional gap filler, taking seats in television audiences when people went out for a wee so there were no empty seats shown on television.

It makes my teeth itch that they have to keep making wink, wink, nod, nod references all through the results show to "Saturdays show." We know they don't all get dressed up in their suits and frocks and go back to the studios for the results. Apparently the contestants have been in bother again for Tweeting the results on Saturday night but there's nothing to stop the audience doing it so it's a rather flawed way of fitting it all together.

James Jordan is always Tweeting about disputes and slating the BBC, and this is apparently Ola's last series, so there is disagreement behind the scenes.