Wheeler dealer programs,and the like.
Discussion
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Pan Pan said:
530dTPhil said:
What annoys me about Wheeler Dealers is the way that Mike Brewer tells potential buyers that it's been 'fully restored' or has a 'new ...' when in fact it's had one component replaced and the rest wiped over with a dirty rag.
It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
I just hope the programs I referred to are NOT shown in the US! It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
The difference in the quality of workmanship, between the Wheeler dealer variety, and the US `Overhaulin' or American Hot Rod, can only be described as embarrassing, and to think The UK was once regarded as one of the homes of high quality low volume automotive workmanship.
If they cant do these jobs properly on a program paid for by TV, just leave the things alone.
Either do the job right, or don't do it at all. These programs would seem to have us shown as a nation of low rent cheapkate bodgers!
However remember the general thrust of the programs is very different- Wheeler Dealers is all about taking run down cars, and spending the minimum to get them back into a good saleable condition- they don't seek perfection.
Overhaulin is nothing to do with cost- you spend as much as necessary to get the vewry very finest vehicle.
Strong work whoever mentioned edd chinas "revving the nuts from cold" thing- it irritates the HELL out of me. Seriously act like a mechanic not a car presenter
My view is if they cannot do the `program' properly then don't do it at all.
viggyp said:
530dTPhil said:
It makes me cringe each time Ed China starts an engine from cold and then proceeds to rev the b*lls off it to show good it sounds now he's fixed the problem. For a skilled mechanic, he sometimes doesn't display much mechanical sympathy.
I thought the same but surely that's down to the editing and the engine has already been warmed up?I've been watching Overhaulin' on Quest and they have had a few lash ups on that show recently.
On one show they removed the body from the chassis, had the body blasted, chopped out the rot and welded in fresh metal and gave it a full respray. Lovely so far, but then they tried putting the body on a new chassis and found it wouldn't fit over the rear suspension, so out came a big hammer and they battered the crap out of the underside of the body to try to make it fit. When that didn't work they crudely cut the floor and bent the metal up so it would clear the suspension.
On another episode they made a beautiful job of a Mustang body, but then found the bonnet wouldn't fit over the engine so Chip cut a bloody big hole right in the middle of the freshly painted bonnet and the t
t doing the voiceover told us this showed Chip was the master at the very top of his game. I couldn't help thinking that if he really was the master he would have checked the bonnet fitted before sending the car for paint. They were shown repeating the same mistake in another show that was broadcast a few days later.
The standard of the cars on American shows is still better than we manage in the UK though.
On one show they removed the body from the chassis, had the body blasted, chopped out the rot and welded in fresh metal and gave it a full respray. Lovely so far, but then they tried putting the body on a new chassis and found it wouldn't fit over the rear suspension, so out came a big hammer and they battered the crap out of the underside of the body to try to make it fit. When that didn't work they crudely cut the floor and bent the metal up so it would clear the suspension.
On another episode they made a beautiful job of a Mustang body, but then found the bonnet wouldn't fit over the engine so Chip cut a bloody big hole right in the middle of the freshly painted bonnet and the t
t doing the voiceover told us this showed Chip was the master at the very top of his game. I couldn't help thinking that if he really was the master he would have checked the bonnet fitted before sending the car for paint. They were shown repeating the same mistake in another show that was broadcast a few days later.The standard of the cars on American shows is still better than we manage in the UK though.
Steve126 said:
I've been watching Overhaulin' on Quest and they have had a few lash ups on that show recently.
On one show they removed the body from the chassis, had the body blasted, chopped out the rot and welded in fresh metal and gave it a full respray. Lovely so far, but then they tried putting the body on a new chassis and found it wouldn't fit over the rear suspension, so out came a big hammer and they battered the crap out of the underside of the body to try to make it fit. When that didn't work they crudely cut the floor and bent the metal up so it would clear the suspension.
On another episode they made a beautiful job of a Mustang body, but then found the bonnet wouldn't fit over the engine so Chip cut a bloody big hole right in the middle of the freshly painted bonnet and the tt doing the voiceover told us this showed Chip was the master at the very top of his game. I couldn't help thinking that if he really was the master he would have checked the bonnet fitted before sending the car for paint. They were shown repeating the same mistake in another show that was broadcast a few days later.
The standard of the cars on American shows is still better than we manage in the UK though.
As the shows here, like those in the US, are paid for for by the tv companies, money should not really be the issue. But it seems the wheeler dealer, and whining bald bloke car programs just show the world that the UK isn't interested in craftsmanship anymore, but only in producing dodgy, back street, sprayover cheapskate bodge vehicles. I would hate to be in a `car?' produced by the whining bald bloke if it was involved in accident, it would likely collapse in heap of rust, and polyfiller.On one show they removed the body from the chassis, had the body blasted, chopped out the rot and welded in fresh metal and gave it a full respray. Lovely so far, but then they tried putting the body on a new chassis and found it wouldn't fit over the rear suspension, so out came a big hammer and they battered the crap out of the underside of the body to try to make it fit. When that didn't work they crudely cut the floor and bent the metal up so it would clear the suspension.
On another episode they made a beautiful job of a Mustang body, but then found the bonnet wouldn't fit over the engine so Chip cut a bloody big hole right in the middle of the freshly painted bonnet and the t
t doing the voiceover told us this showed Chip was the master at the very top of his game. I couldn't help thinking that if he really was the master he would have checked the bonnet fitted before sending the car for paint. They were shown repeating the same mistake in another show that was broadcast a few days later.The standard of the cars on American shows is still better than we manage in the UK though.
of course another problem that we have over here is that most used cars are not cool and are worthless so shows like wheeler dealers can only spend £2k sorting what they can out to make the car a bit more presentable.
Shows like GMG they can buy some old American thing for $5k spend $20k on it and still turn a profit. over here you could buy something for £5k spend £20K and sell it for maybe £7k. its why most people who spend a lot of money on cars break them up and sell the parts rather than the car.
Shows like GMG they can buy some old American thing for $5k spend $20k on it and still turn a profit. over here you could buy something for £5k spend £20K and sell it for maybe £7k. its why most people who spend a lot of money on cars break them up and sell the parts rather than the car.
I tried watching 'overhaulin' last night after seeing the praise it has recieved on here. I couldn't stand it for more the five minutes at a time despite being into american cars. It seemed to be just a typical over the top american car show that didn't show anything in particular detail and blared out a non stop stream heavy metal/rock music over the top of everything for the whole programme!
I quite like wheeler dealers espially the early ones. I've found the little jobs that Ed China demonstrates to be very useful and are usually the sort of thing that the average bloke in his garage can have a go at and possibly afford. The type of work they do on overhaulin etc must cost so much that it's not even worth dreaming about.
I quite like wheeler dealers espially the early ones. I've found the little jobs that Ed China demonstrates to be very useful and are usually the sort of thing that the average bloke in his garage can have a go at and possibly afford. The type of work they do on overhaulin etc must cost so much that it's not even worth dreaming about.
heyhomes said:
I tried watching 'overhaulin' last night after seeing the praise it has recieved on here. I couldn't stand it for more the five minutes at a time despite being into american cars. It seemed to be just a typical over the top american car show that didn't show anything in particular detail and blared out a non stop stream heavy metal/rock music over the top of everything for the whole programme!
I quite like wheeler dealers espially the early ones. I've found the little jobs that Ed China demonstrates to be very useful and are usually the sort of thing that the average bloke in his garage can have a go at and possibly afford. The type of work they do on overhaulin etc must cost so much that it's not even worth dreaming about.
Couldn't agree more. Wheeler Dealers is easy to watch, the missus will tolerate it (just!) and it inspires me to get off my bum and spend a Sunday tinkering in the garage. Watching someone throw money at some unobtainable classic I dream of owning one day is something totally different entirely. Let's face it, the average car nerds' 'project' is likely to be a slightly tatty hatchback, not a rust-encrusted E-Type.I quite like wheeler dealers espially the early ones. I've found the little jobs that Ed China demonstrates to be very useful and are usually the sort of thing that the average bloke in his garage can have a go at and possibly afford. The type of work they do on overhaulin etc must cost so much that it's not even worth dreaming about.
ally_f said:
heyhomes said:
I tried watching 'overhaulin' last night after seeing the praise it has recieved on here. I couldn't stand it for more the five minutes at a time despite being into american cars. It seemed to be just a typical over the top american car show that didn't show anything in particular detail and blared out a non stop stream heavy metal/rock music over the top of everything for the whole programme!
I quite like wheeler dealers espially the early ones. I've found the little jobs that Ed China demonstrates to be very useful and are usually the sort of thing that the average bloke in his garage can have a go at and possibly afford. The type of work they do on overhaulin etc must cost so much that it's not even worth dreaming about.
Couldn't agree more. Wheeler Dealers is easy to watch, the missus will tolerate it (just!) and it inspires me to get off my bum and spend a Sunday tinkering in the garage. Watching someone throw money at some unobtainable classic I dream of owning one day is something totally different entirely. Let's face it, the average car nerds' 'project' is likely to be a slightly tatty hatchback, not a rust-encrusted E-Type.I quite like wheeler dealers espially the early ones. I've found the little jobs that Ed China demonstrates to be very useful and are usually the sort of thing that the average bloke in his garage can have a go at and possibly afford. The type of work they do on overhaulin etc must cost so much that it's not even worth dreaming about.
Pan Pan said:
ally_f said:
heyhomes said:
I tried watching 'overhaulin' last night after seeing the praise it has recieved on here. I couldn't stand it for more the five minutes at a time despite being into american cars. It seemed to be just a typical over the top american car show that didn't show anything in particular detail and blared out a non stop stream heavy metal/rock music over the top of everything for the whole programme!
I quite like wheeler dealers espially the early ones. I've found the little jobs that Ed China demonstrates to be very useful and are usually the sort of thing that the average bloke in his garage can have a go at and possibly afford. The type of work they do on overhaulin etc must cost so much that it's not even worth dreaming about.
Couldn't agree more. Wheeler Dealers is easy to watch, the missus will tolerate it (just!) and it inspires me to get off my bum and spend a Sunday tinkering in the garage. Watching someone throw money at some unobtainable classic I dream of owning one day is something totally different entirely. Let's face it, the average car nerds' 'project' is likely to be a slightly tatty hatchback, not a rust-encrusted E-Type.I quite like wheeler dealers espially the early ones. I've found the little jobs that Ed China demonstrates to be very useful and are usually the sort of thing that the average bloke in his garage can have a go at and possibly afford. The type of work they do on overhaulin etc must cost so much that it's not even worth dreaming about.
The buying and selling of the car is just added in for TV.
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